Custom flags functionality

Game Discussion General Discussion
1426

Personally I believe not having Republic of China as a nation in game seems to strongly support a politically controversial idea.

Currently we see vehicles from before 1949 where the People’s Republic of China was founded, 1949-1971 when ROC was still recognized by the UN as China, as well as post 1971, where the Chinese UN seat was given to PRC as Chinese nation.
During all of these timeframes the PRC is represented as a nation, while ROC is only represented by an Army flag, including the time before 1949 where the PRC was not yet a national entity.

This seems to suggest clear political implications that they usually try to avoid. I understand this was unintended, but it needs to be addressed.

I think the easiest solution is to have both under their national flags throughout, regardless of their status as a nation.

This counts pre-1949 PRC under PRC flag, since regardless if they were a nation or not, they were the same entity.
The same system then applies to ROC post-1949, where regardless if they are considered a nation, they are still represented as ROC.

That way both nations, that are universally agreed to have existed, can be added to the game based on the same equal treatment.
Any political implication would be based on each players free decisions and outside of Gaijins responsibility.

It could also be split by year, but here it would be unclear which is “correct”, causing more debate. Gaijin could simply follow the UN as “neutral” opinion, but this will be very political regardless.

  • 1912 - 1948 ROC, 1949+ PRC → According to PRC
  • 1912 - 1970 ROC, 1971+ PRC → According to UN
  • 1912 - now ROC → According to ROC and other select nations
  • China doesn’t exist → Bhutan

This would also be confusing to players, as it doesn’t differenciate vehicles by military anymore.

Another option might be to change PRC to Army flags as well. But this would leave the Chinese tree without Chinese flag, so I don’t see it as viable.

So I think the safest is to divide both civil war factions under their respective nations names, rather than trying to establish when either of them was or wasn’t a nation.

23 Likes
1427

I couldn’t help but notice how in the trailer, the CM-34 was the only vehicle that did not have its country of origin mentioned, and in its devblog, only the words “China” and the “Chinese tech tree” are mentioned.

Cringe

1 Like
1428

This is good idea ,both Flag can be in the game

3 Likes
1433

I posted on the Chinese language forum (because im from the ROC), their stance mostly resides on the fact that by including both ROC and PRC, would contradict the “1 China policy”, and for legal use of the ROC flag within the PRC, it needs to be marked with “1911~1949” but by applying that for Jet modern era, it would break the legal use.

4 Likes
1434

If the ROC flag gets added then so should the proper German flag from 1935

1435

well… ,if you see this “請不要移除科技樹的青天白日旗” you will know some guys doesn,t like your says.
You can try to use translate,if you can,t understand Chinese

1 Like
1436

First of all, welcome to the english forum, we’d love for you to stick around.

Secondly I’ve given you a like in your post on the chinese forums and am sorry you’ve had to see such vitriol from certain users.

Thirdly, the “one china policy” is, as the name might imply, a policy, specifically a political policy. Gaijin, not being based or headquartered in the PRC doesn’t have any need to follow this policy (EDIT: and infact should be ignoring it if they were truly serious about being apolitical) and by doing so, they inadvertently pick a side.

An even handed approach would be allowing the use of both flags.

8 Likes
1437

true

1438

EDIT: Deleting post because it’s factually incorrect.

1439

But it is a historical game, so they are allowed to include multiple versions of even just one nation. For example there is only one unified Germany, yet multiple are included.

This could be, usually they are very cautious of legal use.

Personally I’d argue that since pre-1949 PRC uses the national flag despite not being a nation yet, having the ROC flag cannot in good faith be stated to equal a statement about their status as a nation. But I of course don’t know how this holds up to international law.

Then again, as Cpt_Duck said before, this shouldn’t apply to a company based outside of the PRC anyways, especially considering it is a political policy that is not unanimously agreed on internationally.

2 Likes
1440

WT-CN maybe be affected?
5f3ffa6190fa89bb418d364f9ab549a7

1441

Maybe it’s not a bug, and rather than displaying player selected techtree flags it displays the operator flags of their selected vehicles. That would actually be very useful to narrow down what vehicles others are using a bit better.

1442

@Bruce_R1 every time you start typing, I think the Gaijin gods have blessed us and Smin is ready to give us an answer XD

1 Like
1443

It might be possible to add a regional censor, which would change the flag based on the region a player lives in.

The state it is in right now is as political outside of the People’s Republic of China as it would be for PRC if the flag was included there. So maybe the solution is simply to add it, but based on a players region.

2 Likes
1444

EDIT: Deleting post because it’s factually incorrect.

1445

Honestly, I’m very close to just making the bug report about the republic china name change to simply china. It not being mentioned in the changelog makes me think it’s a bug, and we’ve not heard a thing from stona.

2 Likes
1446

Previous forum had custom avatars so that was never an issue. Just saying.

1447

I like yor idea ,just make the PRC UI verision for China Player will esay

2 Likes
1448

I just wonder how that will work in praxis. As to my knowledge Gaijin doesn’t have any servers in mainland China making a restriction through that impossible. Regional censor can be bypassed by a VPN and I have heard that a fair chunk of chinese are using one.

1 Like
1449

First of all, CN players would check if the English version matches.
Secondly, CN do purchase a lot so despite Gaijin is not a Chinese company, it will still find a way to please them while not affecting much on gameplay mechanics.
Thirdly, the “despite” is not true, in 2019, Gaijin entertainment was nearly incorporated by a Chinese company called GAEA founded in Beijing… showing that Gaijin does have a tendency to form close relationship with CN capitals, thus giving it another reason to avoid adding ROC flags.

2 Likes