Can we ask for this topic to be moved to game discussion now that the update is arriving tomorrow?
Tomorrow we will see if gaijin cares more about being apolitical or monetary gain.
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I might also make a topic dedicated to the ROC flag as well, just in case things are worse tomorrow.
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Anything to do about any flags is for this topic only so do not make other topics regarding flags!
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Personally I’d argue that the implementation of the ROC flag in things like the statcard or other areas with flags fall outside the remit of specifically the custom flags functionality, and I worry that confining discussion on flags on statcards and other areas to this thread exclusively may not yield the desired results due to this thread having come about to a Dev server change rather than being formatted as, for example, an actual game suggestion.
I will, for the moment, hold off from creating the suggestion for the ROC flags implementation however if the issues raised in this thread are not resolved by, let’s say, the first update of the new year (provided a thread hasn’t been created by then) then I may create the ROC flag implementation suggestion despite the continuation of this thread.
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With the release the flag is still missing
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I’m assuming this topic will be moved as the dev server has closed?
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I agree, Taiwan flag should be in the game
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And the Kingdom of Hungary is mislabelled as Hungary; meanwhile, Italy has the correct designation for its pre-1946 flag. @Smin1080p_WT
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why remove ROC ?
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So it shows up in matches but you cannot select it? Weird.
well , I can,t chose my custom Tech tree icon,but can show on the game what???
the flags in a battle change depending on what vehicles are currently present. Don’t know if any other “army flags” other than Taiwan show up.
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Personally I believe not having Republic of China as a nation in game seems to strongly support a politically controversial idea.
Currently we see vehicles from before 1949 where the People’s Republic of China was founded, 1949-1971 when ROC was still recognized by the UN as China, as well as post 1971, where the Chinese UN seat was given to PRC as Chinese nation.
During all of these timeframes the PRC is represented as a nation, while ROC is only represented by an Army flag, including the time before 1949 where the PRC was not yet a national entity.
This seems to suggest clear political implications that they usually try to avoid. I understand this was unintended, but it needs to be addressed.
I think the easiest solution is to have both under their national flags throughout, regardless of their status as a nation.
This counts pre-1949 PRC under PRC flag, since regardless if they were a nation or not, they were the same entity.
The same system then applies to ROC post-1949, where regardless if they are considered a nation, they are still represented as ROC.
That way both nations, that are universally agreed to have existed, can be added to the game based on the same equal treatment.
Any political implication would be based on each players free decisions and outside of Gaijins responsibility.
It could also be split by year, but here it would be unclear which is “correct”, causing more debate. Gaijin could simply follow the UN as “neutral” opinion, but this will be very political regardless.
- 1912 - 1948 ROC, 1949+ PRC → According to PRC
- 1912 - 1970 ROC, 1971+ PRC → According to UN
- 1912 - now ROC → According to ROC and other select nations
- China doesn’t exist → Bhutan
This would also be confusing to players, as it doesn’t differenciate vehicles by military anymore.
Another option might be to change PRC to Army flags as well. But this would leave the Chinese tree without Chinese flag, so I don’t see it as viable.
So I think the safest is to divide both civil war factions under their respective nations names, rather than trying to establish when either of them was or wasn’t a nation.
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I couldn’t help but notice how in the trailer, the CM-34 was the only vehicle that did not have its country of origin mentioned, and in its devblog, only the words “China” and the “Chinese tech tree” are mentioned.
Cringe
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This is good idea ,both Flag can be in the game
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I posted on the Chinese language forum (because im from the ROC), their stance mostly resides on the fact that by including both ROC and PRC, would contradict the “1 China policy”, and for legal use of the ROC flag within the PRC, it needs to be marked with “1911~1949” but by applying that for Jet modern era, it would break the legal use.
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If the ROC flag gets added then so should the proper German flag from 1935