Chengdu J-10, History, Performance & Discussion

Introduction:

This topic is about the History, Performance & Discussion of Chengdu J-10.

English is not my native language, and the sources are also quite diverse, so if you have any suggestions please feel free.

Due to confidentiality reasons, I can only provide rough data, such as the names and approximate performance of radar, engines, and weapons.

Chinese Air-To-Air missiles

As reference, this topic is about the Chinese Air-To-Air missiles,
Chinese Air-To-Air missiles, History, Performance & Discussion

J-10 (猛龙, Vigorous Dragon):

J-9 (Canard) “The Predecessor of J-10”

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On April 1, 1966, the “J-9 Aircraft Design Plan” was submitted. The National Defense Science and Technology Commission held a meeting to review the design plan of the J-9 aircraft and submitted the “J-9 Aircraft Tactical and Technical Demonstration Report” to the Central Military Commission. The report proposes that J-9 has a maximum speed of Mach 2.4, a ceiling of 21 km, a maximum range of 3000 km, a Radius of action of 600 km, a maximum endurance of 3 hours, and a maximum Rate of climb of 180~200 m/s. In order to enable the 601 Institute (Shenyang) to concentrate on developing the J-8, the development task of the J-9 was transferred to the newly formed 611 Institute (Chengdu) in April 1970.
In 1978, due to the urgent requirements for the J-7C undertaken by 611, the development work of the J-9 began to shrink. In 1980, in order to implement the national economic adjustment policy, the development of the J-9 was completely suspended. Due to the Cultural Revolution, the J-9 lasted for more than ten years and ultimately came to an end. Its achievements, especially the canard layout, abdominal air intake and medium range intercepting weapon Fire-control system, provide valuable experience for the development of J-10.

Performance

  • Engine: Type 910
  • Radar: Unknown
  • Air-To-Air Weapons: Unknown
  • Air-To-Surface Weapons: Unknown

J-10

Like the “J-11”, the " J-10" is not a confirmed name, but this does not prevent us from referring to the early models that could only use PL-11 as the J-10. The image shows the earliest prototype, the J-10 “1001”.
The early J-10 differed from the J-10A in many details such as body shape and landing gear doors. Due to its initial intention to use the WS-10, the body shape was specifically optimized for the WS-10, and many positions were significantly different from the J-10A, which was confirmed to have undergone shape improvements after adopting the AL-31F.

Performance

  • Engine: AL-31F
  • Radar: Type 1473
  • Air-To-Air Weapons: 2-6x PL-8, 0-4x PL-11
  • Air-To-Surface Weapons: Unguide bomb/rocket

J-10A/J-10AH, J-10S

The J-10A is the first improved version of the J-10. In fact, some units tested it and provided feedback before the J-10 was commissioned. Therefore, the previous version was called the J-10, while the officially commissioned version was called the J-10A. Due to the determination to use the AL-31F, many adjustments have been made to the aerodynamic appearance of the J-10A, including adjustments to the rear end. Unlike the early J-10, which could only use the PL-11, the J-10A could use the PL-12 SRH missile and was equipped with the composite pylon, allowing it to carry up to six PL-12 missiles.
The J-10AH is the naval model of the J-10A, while the J-10S is its dual seater model.

Performance

  • Engine: AL-31F
  • Radar: Type 1473
  • Air-To-Air Weapons: 2-6x PL-8, 0-6x PL-12/PL11
  • Air-To-Surface Weapons: Unguide bomb/rocket, Guided Air-To-Surface weapons

J-10B

The J-10B is a major upgrade of the J-10A. The Diverterless supersonic inlet successfully used on the FC-1 has been applied to the J-10B. At the same time, the old 1473 radar has been replaced with a more advanced domestic PESA radar, which has greatly improved its ability to detect and attack ground and air targets.
Although there has been a significant improvement, due to the rapid development of China’s AESA radar, J-10C using AESA radar quickly appeared, and its performance completely overwhelmed the J-10B, resulting in only a few dozen J-10Bs being produced before China began to switch to J-10C production.

Performance

  • Engine: WS-10
  • Radar: XXXX PESA
  • Air-To-Air Weapons: 2-6x PL-8, 0-6x PL-12
  • Air-To-Surface Weapons: Unguide bomb/rocket, Guided Air-To-Surface weapons

J-10B TVC

The J-10B TVC is a test model using WS-10 TVC that appeared at an air show. It is actually the first fighter jet in China equipped with a domestically produced vector engine.

Performance

  • Engine: WS-10 TVC
  • Radar: XXXX PESA
  • Air-To-Air Weapons: 2-6x PL-8, 0-6x PL-12
  • Air-To-Surface Weapons: Unguide bomb/rocket, Guided Air-To-Surface weapons

J-10C, J-10CE

The J-10C is currently the final model of the J-10 series, equipped with the latest AESA radar and avionics system. It exists as a medium-sized multi-purpose fighter in the Chinese Air Force’s Three Musketeers system (J-10C, J-16, J-20), and has been improved to use the most advanced PL-10 and PL-15 missiles, as a Gen 4.5 fighter, it can easily suppress neighboring countries’ Gen 4 fighter jets.
J-10CE is a model exported to Pakistan, which is equipped with a redesigned fuel tank. It is equipped with PL-10E and PL-15E, which are downgraded based on China’s own PL-15. The maximum range is limited to 145 (PL-15 has a maximum range of over 200), and the performance difference between PL-10E and PL-10 is not yet known.

Performance

  • Engine: WS-10
  • Radar: XXXX AESA
  • Air-To-Air Weapons: 2-6x PL-10/PL-10E, 0-6x PL-15/PL-15E
  • Air-To-Surface Weapons: Unguide bomb/rocket, Guided Air-To-Surface weapons

Source:
《中国飞机全书》第三卷
《歼九总师谈歼十》
《军工记忆》歼十
more…

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I wanted to make a J-10 thread on the “old” Forum but then Gaijin pressed the OFF button …

Well, here some stuff from my research;

  • J-10A / AH (Navy)
    • Initial version, AL-31FN Series 1 / 2, Type 1473 Radar
  • J-10AH (Late)
    • AESA Radar, PL-10
  • J-10AY
    • Gun removed, acrobatics team variant
  • J-10S / SH (Navy)
    • Two-Seated Trainers
  • J-10S (Late)
    • WS-10B engine
  • J-10SY
    • Gun removed, acrobatics team variant
  • J-10B
    • EOTS, internal EW suit, AL-31FN Series 3, redesigned air intake and nose (PESA Radar ?)
  • J-10C
    • S740 MAWS, additional antennas, AESA Radar, RAM
  • J-10CY
    • Gun removed, new spine as acrobatic smoke storage
  • J-10CE (Pakistan)
    • Antenna changes, WS-10B engine, new light streaks
  • J-10C (Late)
    • WS-10B replaced AL-31FN-3, minor antenna changes, new cockpit (similar to J-20)
  • J-10-TVC “Super J-10”
    • J-10B based testbed with modified WS-10B engine (has thrust vectoring)
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J-10C (Late) cockpit

S740 MAWS sensors on J-10C / CE

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Thanks for ur work :)

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I look forward first 4th generation fighter aircraft from PLAAF & PLANAF in china tech tree rank VIII

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Me too.

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Let’s say J-10A coming to next major update. You guess dev considered add J-10AH from PLANAF ?

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Gameplaywise there wouldn´t be any difference between them except the skin. Gaijin can add the J-10A with an J-10AH skin for GE or XYZ number of kills as usual.
Unless we talk about the late service J-10AH, this one has AESA, PL-15s and PL-10s.

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Chengdu J-10A fitted with Salyut AL-31FN Series 1 but J-10AH used Salyut AL-31FN series 2 engine ?

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Its unknown to me which was used at what time or which sub-variant, both engines however are identical, the Series 3 makes the biggest difference, but is being replaced my domestic WS-10B (-> results in lower top speed but higher thrust).

One characteristic of the J-10AH is that it can carry the PL-10, but considering the game balance, the PL-10 should only be used in conjunction with the PL-15. Other special features may be the ability that using anti-ship missiles(I don’t know if the Air Force version can use them), and perhaps it can use some ground attack variant of anti-ship missiles (such as the CM-802AKG used on JF-17).

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So I guess gaijin might considered Chengdu J-10AH with long-range anti-ship missile CM-802AKG

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The J-10AH’s Air-To-Surface weapon might be very different with Air Force version, Air Force version usually use KD-88, but J-10AH might use C-701, CM-802AKG and so on.

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J-10 “1001” or J-10 early without targeting pod & guided Air-to-Ground armament ?

Yeah, it has targeting pod and KD-88 AGM, but i don’t know much about the “1001”, it is a protoype.

You guess J-10S or J-10 “1001” maybe 1st event vehicle at rank 8 for china ?

J-10S is a good choice, and it also possible that be the early prototype of FC-1 which did not use DSI.

That mean Chengdu FC-1 that’s prototype of JF-17 Block 1 maybe event vehicle rank 8 ?

And J-10 early might be tech tree or event ?

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This could be faked, and I would not be surprised because it would not be safe to launch those.

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I think the 6+2 launch on the wing is at least not a problem