F-1 and Nesher both get Zunis (far better flares than FFAR)
F-8E, Mirage, and J-35D all cause issues in their own right so idk how you view them facing Harrier as bad.
Stockholm is just a homogenous mixture of dumb takes.
Far worse than ‘proper countermeasure pods’ such as AN/ALE-38 or 40.
Also, if we consider that F-1 and Neshers are fine because of Zuni rockets(And other rockets which can be improvised countermeasures), just for arguing’s sake.
Why did you call the F-4C and F-105D flareless and overtiered?
F-4C can also be equipped with Zuni rockets.
and F-105D can be equipped with FFAR pods.
In your claim, they are well armed with flares.
Booo-
Lame shifting the goalpost.
-10 points to Grifindor
Make me more excited than this. I know you can be better than THAT.
If we consider that F-8E(FN), Mirage, and J35D Draken really causes problems.
It can’t justify that they need to be free kill of AIM-9L from AV-8B(NA)
In your theory, which you want to send AV-8B down because she is bad.
F-8E(FN) and Mirage will eventually go lower and will cause more problems.
Also, I think you can’t distinguish between Harrier 1 and Harrier 2, and just call them Harrier.
Ad hominem, a Classic term of surrender.
I genuinely thank you for surrendering to me in this discussion,
And that you failed to prove why AV-8B(NA) needs to be 10.7BR, and that it will be no problem.
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“Far” worse is an exaggeration
F-4C needs heavy AF triple zuni pods (it’s already kind of a brick) F-105 doesn’t get Zunis.
The fact that such simple concepts need to be explained to you is sad.
Then just stop making yourself a free kill.
That’s your problem.
First of all, will you stop bullshiting by nitpicking everything I say and shifting the directions?
I clearly explained why AV-8B(NA) can’t go down
And you failed to counterclaim with why it really should
And ALL I SEE from YOU in this discussion is dumb contradictions with inconsistency.
Further discussing with you really feels like nothing more than derailment.
It isn’t an exaggeration.
Rocket pods (either Zuni or FFAR) are a lot much heavier than proper countermeasure pods such as AN/ALE-38/40, and take more drag while flying with them.
4-round pod of Zuni ,which is usually used (1x per pylon for T-2, 3x per pylon for F-4)
Costs 280kg for single rocket pods. 4 uses.
57kg per rocket itself.
https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_old_pdf.cfm?ARC_ID=1231
And, AN/ALE-38/40 pods require 28 kg per pod as a minimum (ALE-40V4 for F-16 as an example)
Two pods grant 60 countermeasures in WT(F-16A or AV-8C are equipped with 2), and two countermeasures are being used when you tap the CM button. 30 pops at maximum if you don’t carry chaffs.
Way lighter, way more countermeasures.
Oh, IF you want to compare with ‘WING PYLON-MOUNTED COUNTERMEASURE PODS’
because Zuni are wing pylon-mounted rocket pods.
BOZ-107 Countermeasure pods, which are currently used in Tornado GR.1
are weighs 321kg per pod, and carries
28 Large countermeasures, and 600 Large chaffs.
It is extremely better than Zuni.
So yeah, using Zuni/FFAR as a countermeasure is FAR WORSE than proper countermeasure pods.
Better than dying because of not carrying, though.
Oh, you are telling that using Zuni on F-1 and Neshers is fine because Zuni can be far better flares than FFAR
But using Zuni is not fine when it is getting used by F-4C?
You counterclaimed that F-1 and Nesher are fine because it can be equipped with Zuni.
Then face the consequences.
If you say that F-1 are fine to face AV-8B(NA) if it gets buffs because they can use Zuni
Then it is also fine that F-4C are fine to face AV-8B(NA) because it can use Zuni.
Also, you completely excluded that F-4C’s J79 engine creates way better thrust than [pair of Adour engines] on F-1. even if we don’t think about F-4C has two J79.
Yes, Triple Zuni pods are heavy as hell. But F-4C have heavier thrust than F-1 or Nesher does.
I wonder why you are saying Zuni on F-1 is fine, but Zuni on F-4C isn’t fine.
The fact that such simple concepts need to be explained to you is sad.
Okay, I really love it when you hand me a weapon. It thrills me.
Having no proper countermeasure gives a disadvantage when fighting against AIM-9L or R-60M.
And you claimed that you think F-4C or F-105D are undertiered.
Alright, how about stop being free kill while playing them, then?
(Disclaimer: I use this term for nothing but exposing hypocrisy)
No no no no. If I really can’t distinguish between Harrier 1 and Harrier 2
IS there really a reason that I need to disagree about AV-8B(NA)'s BR buff?
Because both SHAR FRS.1[11.0] and AV-8B(NA) [11.3] are Harriers
and carries the same Four AIM-9L?
Stop projecting your problem onto me.
According to the stances which you keep showing, I can believe that you can’t distinguish the differences between Harrier 1 and Harrier 2.
If you can’t prove why AV-8B(NA) should go down to 10.7BR and slaughter the flareless jets
How about admitting your lose and get lost?
No matter what part of your response I quote it’s gonna be shifting directions cause your lies are spread all over the place.
Seriously, after all that arguing
With all those statements.
You chose to play the Ad Hominem card. again.
Really mate.
Was that your best bet?
Really?
You can’t counterclaim about anything in my theory but insulting instead…?
Man, this is boring. This is one of the most boring arguments I’ve ever had in my life.
If you really believe that my posts are filled with lies which spread all over the place.
Maybe because you are living in an alternative mirror-realm where lies become truth and truth becomes lies.
I never thought that Zuni could be worth better than BOZ-107 or AN/ALE-40 (/s)
‘FAR’ worse is an exaggeration. really.
I never knew that 28LCM with an extra 600 Large chaffs is not that better than four large rockets, which can work as a makeshift flare.
You proved nothing in this discussion.
Why AV-8B(NA) should be 10.7BR
Why buffing of AV-8B(NA) can’t create compression
Why F-1 isn’t flareless and Zuni on F-1 is fine against AIM-9L on AV-8B, but F-4C is flareless and Zuni on F-4C isn’t fine. (Triple bundle theory is not valid because F-4C has a way superior engine)
It is only your problem which can’t admit the truth.
Yes, No matter what part of my response you quote it’s gonna be shifting directions.
Not because my lies are spread all over the place
Because you don’t have the ability to understand my theory, and shifting it as a lie is your only option.
I honestly think that is my line, not yours.
We all have the burden of proof when counterclaiming something.
And I explained why you are wrong when I made a counterclaim.
I explained why buffing AV-8B(NA) down to 10.7BR can’t be a solution
Because it will cause a cascade-type of buff that will eventually cause compression, and much more.
Look up, you can see. Well, I know you will close your eyes and won’t see.
Meanwhile, you made quite a lot of counterclaims, but most of it was nitpicking, shifting the direction, or Ad Hominem.
Your counterclaim, which aimed to refute my theory, was few, and those that contained proper proof were even fewer.
Of course, those were crushed by me after that.
Oh, by the way, have you ever heard about Hitchens’s razor?
Unlike his razor, I tried to make every counterclaim with support.
And, yeah, as I claimed earlier, you proved nothing in this discussion.
All you did here was “No You”, insulting, contradiction, and derailments.
So, I am quite surprised that you almost self-diagnosed your problem.
I really didn’t want to play ‘Uno Reverse’ card here because it is boring.
But, well, you earned it.
This quote from you does not apply to me; it applies to you.
It seems ‘you just couldn’t help but blame it on others.’
Soooo… End of discussions.
I am fine to have a healthy discussion about AV-8B(NA) or Harrier T.10 if you really want to.
But in case all you want is nitpicking my quote and wasting my time, just as you constantly did in this thread.
I am not going to reply any further.
I agree we need decompression, but since gaijin won’t hear us send those harriers to 11.0. As other mates said before, there are a lot of OP planes at 10.0-11.0 mainly the J-7D, which is the best Mig-21 at this br. Plus harrier is subsonic and you rarely dogfight at this br I don’t think you guys play this tier often. There are 0 reason for 11.3.
I agree the plane is good, but the BR is dogsh…
Ahh yes, the perfectly valid counterclaim of it’s American so it can’t be bad
11.0 is a good BR, I’ve said it could be 11.0 on this post.
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lmao
I want to add that I have over 100 kills with Nesher (israeli mirage III) and it sits at 10.0; sometimes it is all about skill.
I would not be bothered if AV-8B and harrier T.10 go down to 11.0.
I already face A-10s with 9Ls and they can get me killed from 2.5 miles (around 5 Km) away.
No, it doesn’t deserve to go down.
1- Nesher isn’t Mirage III. It is somewhat similar to a copy version of Mirage 5F
The biggest difference is
French uses AIM-9B and Magic I as IR,
While Israel uses Shafir 2, AIM-9D/G(G for Nesher)
2- Your skill does not matter for discussing AV-8B.
Well, it might give you a little bit of plausibility in your speech, though.
3- Getting killed by an AIM-9L (of course, in 5km I meant) is either one of
3.1- Exaggeration
3.2- or a bit of a Skill issue.
The ideal range of AIM-9L is 3km-ish in maximum. Of course, it rarely gets hit on even a longer radius.
And Thing gets quite nasty when you don’t have countermeasures, when you need to fight against it.
4- If you get killed by A-10s from 5km away when you play Nesher
Then AV-8B may kill your Nesher more effectively.
Sending AV-8B(NA) down to 11.0 should be considered as A LAST RESORT, and should be Temporary.
As I and others claimed earlier, sending AV-8B(NA) and Harrier T.10 down, which has a superior fuselage, is unfair to SHAR FRS.1 in 11.0BR
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Preach brother. Every time I play this I wish I was in a Harrier II instead, even with the higher BR
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Been reading this since i started playing 10 months ago.
Hopes and dreams.
J7D is fine at 10.7 anyway. 11.0 is hell and no jet deserves to be put there until every phantom etc gets yeeted… Which also isnt happening any time soon.
The snails complete BS excuse is wait times. They could just search at BR for 30 seconds and increase 0.3 if not enough opponents found for eg.
Personally i dont believe a word and gaijin want it like this
No, it’s not. It’s objectively far superior to any other 10.7. Phantoms also aren’t oppressive or a reason to keep an oppressive jet like the J-7D, undertiered.
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It is when every gane is an uptier at 11.0 and that means you are the only one with no radar missiles in the full lobby.
Il never play the f5 at 11.0 again for this reason and it slaps the J7D. Most deaths was running out of CMs.
Id sooner j7d goes to 11.3 as 11.3 is nothing conpared to the rigged MM 11 gets
AV-8A/C/S Early and I believe GR.1/GR.3 are all in good states. They’re all almost near identical (besides GR.1 having 2 more missiles and SRAAM) at the same BR.
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