Than needed? What on earth decides how much CAS is needed?
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What makes You belive that?
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The only thing I can think of is the smaller potential for kills and that is it
Cannot wait for the thread to be locked for calling gaijin this
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You didnt even offer a solution to make the first spawn CAS weaker…
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Because he belives that current state of things when it comes to ground vs air balance is ok and should stay as it was.
No matter that the poll he have made showed that people wanted the changes:
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That’s a separate issue, and one that the SP cost changes only makes worse.
The whole point of thos post is that the main CAS complaints is first spawn CAS, yet the SP changes do nothing to address it.
Yes that is a separate issue but these changes to second spawn CAS actually help defeat first spawn CAS by making CAP easier to spawn without fear
Spawning CAP negatively impacts the game though. Not to mention, revenge CAS and are unaffected by CAP. If the sky is already filled with AD-2 and P-61s and whatnot, even a Spitfire ain’t gonna do much.
The only time CAP is successful is when your team already has air superiority.
Even if this was rrue it still doesnt explain why you want to make it easier to spawn CAS twice. First spawn and second spawn CAS can both be a problem and both should be nerfed
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Neither are a major problem with the exception of certain vehicles. Being able to spawn CAS multiple times is healthy for balancing since players can spawn multiple SPAA.
The few problems that first spawn CAS has, aren’t problems with second CAS spawn so nerfing second CAS spawn just doesn’t make sense.
I would understand the change if Gajin limited SPAA spawns per player to 1 (doing so would be good for numerous reasons), however with no SPAA nerf, it’s simply a bad change.
Your opinions do not represent the majority and every poll youve created in this topic shows that. Just accept that your opinions are not shared by everyone else
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The idea that CAS is overpowered and needs major nerfs is only held by a very small and very special portion of the WT community. Most players think that CAS is either balanced or only needs small changes. Most players are also smart enough to realize that balance problems with CAS are rarely an issue with CAS itself, e.g small maps.
The majority of players were opposed to the SP changes, and we know this because of how many new players came to the forums to protest em. The forum itself has mainly CAS haters because most people don’t induldge in forums for any reason other than to complain, but whenever Gajin announces a dumb CAS nerf, you see 10x the number of CAS supporters as you see CAS haters.
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CAS haters are a minority, and we can confirm this as an objective fact. It’s just that the forum has an unrepresentative number of them, similar to how Redditors disagree with the general public in 90% of cases.
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You have no proof of this at all, its just a convenient claim that people make when polls don’t go their way
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Would be nice to see it reduced a bit. Not the full amount but it should not 2x as expensive as that is just silly. But I usually run as: first plane has bombs with standard ammo and the second plane has no bombs but ground ammo and if you’re any shade of good at CAS, you can top pen most tanks with 20mm AP. Even heavies.
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I think the amount of CAS haters is overrepresented as well, but they are no doubt not very small. The problem is the conflict of interest.
The above data, which is from July, shows that the cumulative hours played is more than 2x higher for Ground RB compared to Air RB. It probably was a more even ratio in the past, but the current ARB gameplay loop might have driven away many people.
Why is this important:
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Many players in Ground RB do not have aircraft at the BRs they play.
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Players without aircraft will naturally want to weaken CAS, as this would work in their favour. (Conflict of interest is present)
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Players who have yet to experience playing CAS in ground battles have a warped perception of its strength, more frequently overestimating strength of CAS
This pattern is a consistent cause of biased views in War Thunder, and can be applied to perception of game’s bias as well (e.g. “Russian bias”). The issue you are dealing with is not of actual, meaningful opposing arguments or logic, but rather of biased, bad-faith actors who are predisposed to hate CAS.
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In fear of someone already told you… but thats an absurd idea.
and btw, there is STILL not a multiplier if you second plane is a groundsticker/bomber instead of a fightert… even though they wanted to fix this issue this patch and its even in the patchnotes lol.
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the CAS issue is not that CAS excist or can spawn, the issue is that CAS powercreep got to a point where its basically a point and click adventure without the tankers being able to do smt about it.
Oldscool CAS needs to get close to battle, need to have some skill and can depending on the bomb you carry u cant even kill all tanks and while u have your ordinance attached your oldschool plane is a unmovable brick in the air. Also oldschool Planes depend on energy, if u attack ground stuff and do a 180 turn you lose a ton of it. Making it super easy to get killed by AA or even enemy Planes.
Also a few years back it wasnt possible to take whatevert custom layout you wanted with you, making it super easy to limit your killing potential by gaijin and most CAS had some pretty heavy limits due to that and that the Gun did a lot less dmg with less penetration.
ALL that changes in higher tiers and recent additions to the game. Thats why we have the CAS issue in the first place.
And changing SP dosnt do a lot to this, as the core mechanics are broken.
Even with 12.0 Anti air… its better now since most planes just get melted, BUT not all of them and some will still get you with braindead fire and forget missles. Also YOU need to have a AA in the first place, meaning you in your Abrams cant do anything to avoit getting killed by that SU, only AFTER you already died you can try to kill him. Which often results in the CAS will atleast take you with him into the abyss.
The people claiming CAS is balanced are the more special ones.
you don’t know that. We just know that many players were upset that they could not spawn more planes in ground battles than they used to and made a gorilion duplicate threads mostly barely comprehensible ones.
you cannot and stop misrepresenting facts. Show me the data that shows this.
you cannot prove that either.
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You have no proof of that. It is just a convenient claim people make when they know they’re the minority.