Alright well. Im proposing a Light Tank only mode because i can’t stop getting killed by Medium Tanks…
…sounds a little ridiculous doesn’t it?
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I’m not sure what you mean by “matchmaking data”. If you mean “what things it was CONSIDERING when designing and putting matches of people together” then no.
But if you mean “The matches it actually ended up making” then YES we absolutely do, what are you talking about? There’s a replay server where you can just go and grab every single replay of every single game that ever happens in War Thunder, nobody is stopping you.
They only stay up for like a day or maybe even a few hours, though, I don’t remember. That’s why the guy had to make a script to constantly scrape it, you’d never be able to do it manually and actually get a clear representative swath of data over the hours and peak periods and blah blah.
But you can go look yourself right now. It’s the same server you use to report cheaters and stuff, but just instead of “give me games I participated in” button, or any key word, just type nothing into the search box, and it will give you ALL games.
I think everyone here knows full well that CAS vs fighter planes have much vaster differences in their whole operation, doctrine, completely different types of targets, etc., than light vs medium tanks do. I’m not sure who you’re trying to fool.
A much much better analogy if you want to make an analogy to ground, is “SPAA vs all the other ground units”. And YES, I DO think that SPAA should have its own mode where it can shine. I already said that earlier in this same thread, even: I ideally want a ground-only mode (where you can spawn SPAA if you really want, but it’s a non-required tech tree line, possibly hidden to new players even, and all the BRs are only balanced around their performance as tank destroyers), and then a CAS vs SPAA mode.
The guy who did that study in your link is saying the times are off which screws up his data completely…
and from my experience, the replays are off so even in a situation where a script can be run, i run into issues with my replays all the time - missing matches, missing time frames, replay ending early, etc.
Again i am going off of what the developer has said. You can claim theyre lying. I have no idea…
Lol okay. This is just getting ridiculous. It’s just never going to happen. Im sorry.
A CAS only mode. An SPAA only mode… these would be DOA…far worse than Heli PVE.
Like ive said before. There are more inclusive options here that would help CAS be more effective - Air RB EC… this is a mode that a ton of the community has been begging Gaijin to bring to the game for years and would get a lot of support from the community.
These hyper niche modes just arent popular and they’re not happening.
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Just a had a brilliant game on flanders in a T34.Absolutely riddled with CAS,got bombed to Fk but they didnt kill me.I ran out of ammo ,took a SPAA with MG,funny as F*.
I would have cried about it 3 years ago now I take it as it is.I fought like a trooper despite the CAS overkill.Then I used my PE8 with the the wrong bombs loaded and killed somebody with a single tiny bomb.You can’t buy this ,comedy gold .Long live CAS.Just gotta have the right sense of humour and be in the mood.:)
Uh I didn’t cite anything about the durations of matches, so not really relevant. If you scroll like 2 comments down, the answer is given, which is that the replay server cuts off games after a fixed amount of time (or probably data), likely simply to save bandwidth. Our discussion here only requires match numbers though.
Lol okay. This is just getting ridiculous. It’s just never going to happen. Im sorry.
It could easily happen, not because they designed a bespoke mode like that, I agree that’s very unlikely. But just as a default side effect of adding a ground only mode: All the ground (tank) mains would leave the original Ground RB, and the people remaining would be… drumroll CAS and SPAA.
His whole script is dependent on time…Which throws off the entire data set…
Maybe im reading it wrong. Idk. Im going off what has been said by the dev… which i can replicate pretty well from Que quantity. But idk maybe its all off.
Its not going to happen though. Nobody is going to want to play SPAA only lol. CAS is usually just played by grinders in aviation modes. Nobody really enjoys it…they’re just grinding…like a job…
I still say a better solution would be one that is more inclusive to other styles of gameplay. No need to eliminate fighters if you’re asking for a PVE mode. They can do PVE against AI targets like you’re doing PVE against ground targets.
EC would open up a world of possibilities too. I just dont think pushing for a CAS only mode is very productive if you want more options for CAS.
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He basically just did a script that does the equivalent of you yourself going on to the replay server site every 15 minutes or whatever it needs to be before they expire, running a search for “[blank]” and then writing down all the metadata for the matches that come up – listed duration (which is inaccurate itself), mode played, map played, etc. The he ran it for I think 2 weeks it says? during a time when there was no weird event grinding going on or anything.
Its not going to happen though. Nobody is going to want to play SPAA only lol.
If so, then the mode will die, but it would still be an accidental experiment at least briefly that would have a chance to succeed, just by hanging around for awhile after the tank mains left. And if you’re right, and it doesn’t succeed, then no big loss – that just proves that everyone was a captive audience in the first place, and people didn’t actually like playing SPAA all along, so who cares if it withers away?
It’s only a big loss if people DID enjoy it, and if so, then it WOULDN’T be a loss, because it could just be left running.
Win win
It’s not a “no harm, no foul” situation. It’s a waste of development time.
Thats the way Gaijin is going to see it. So when things like this get asked, they waste Gaijin’s time and make them laugh at anybody asking for another game mode, which they already don’t want to bother making.
It’s a very niche mode you’re asking for here when the current modes could use work and when there are other modes that are more needed. Half the Air community has been asking for Air RB EC for 7-8 years and have been ignored. Gaijin’s gunna ignore this CAS only mode…
Again…CAS should have a better role in an Air mode. But be smart about what you ask for.
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What I described involved literally zero developer time…
It’s a very niche mode you’re asking for here when the current modes could use work
What I described WAS one of the current modes.
I think you should scroll up and re-read… Bottom half of CAS only mode (poll) - #94 by A_Cute_Chihuahua
This is very naive…
Uhhh you’re proposing some “what if” scenario here that isolates SPAA and CAS… its NOT a current mode… it would be a new mode - the whole point of this post.
Look dude its fine. Idc about arguing over this anymore.
If we’re lucky, we’ll finally get Air RB EC or some overall PVE mode where CAS can be more effective. Most likely we won’t.
Aside from in a Custom Match, a CAS only mode isn’t happening.
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I think you should scroll up and re-read… Bottom half of CAS only mode (poll) - #94 by A_Cute_Chihuahua
You obviously did not scroll up and re-read, let’s try again. I gave you the link and everything, wasn’t being vague.
Jesus. Read your own link…
Smh…
Thats literally what i said. Youre making up some what if scenario of a ground only mode that isolates CAS and SPAA that would then need their own mode.
I really don’t care. Now you’ve just devolved to arguing semantics. Because that’s what you are:
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No. Wtf how is this not clear? That doesn’t even make sense at a grammatical level, how would a “GROUND ONLY mode” have CAS in it, lol?
I will spell it out more clearly somehow I guess?
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Step 1) Add a ground only mode. This part has nothing whatsoever to do with “isolating SPAA and CAS”, nor is it niche. This is something half the entire playerbase desperately wants, and is 100% worth developer time. This mode is, as the name implies, GROUND ONLY, and does NOT have any CAS in it.
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Step 2) Without the developers lifting a finger from here on out, the tank mains and the SPG mains would on their own start to leave Ground RB, and move over to start playing in the Ground-only mode.
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Step 3) Tell me: who does that leave remaining in the pre-existing Ground RB mode, which is not a new mode? Can you tell me the two types of players who would still be in the original Ground RB mode, if all the people who main tanks and SPGs left? Again, without the developers having lifted a finger to change anything about the rules or entry requirements of Ground RB
Lol. You’re justifying the meme…
Yeah i understand you… you aparently dont understand me.
The left alone ground mode would still need to be heavily altered to remove tanks and allow initial CAS spawn, so it would be a new mode…
Again its this multistep long what if scenario…
It’s not happening. If anything they’ll increase CAS spawn point cost in Ground RB to make it less prevalent.
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No… it would not have to have one single line of code changed.
You COULD still physically spawn in in a tank, just nobody WOULD, because people who enjoyed tanks would all be over playing in the Ground-Only mode.
Whereas people who enjoyed SPAA, would be spawning into Ground RB, since that’s where the airplanes are to shoot at, and the people who enjoy CAS would be spawning into Ground RB, since that’s where the only ground players are to shoot at, and nobody else would CHOOSE to spawn into Ground RB.
Again its this multistep long what if scenario…
For developers, it’s 1 step. The other two “steps” are describing natural flows of players without any developer intervention.
Not one single line of code? Eh?
Riddle me this… in Ground RB, how do you spawn into a plane?
By gaining spawn points by killing ground targets… so how tf does the first plane spawn in?
C’mon. Ground RB would need to be altered. You’re just arguing for the sake of arguing.
This is a stupid.
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So if I was a CAS main, I would spawn in a fast driving SPAA and try to get a cap zone right away, then J out as soon as possible. It makes more sense than a BT-5, because the tank mains all left to go play Ground-Only mode, so my main opposition is not going to be tanks (or at least not competent and heavy tanks).
My main opposition is going to be
- other SPAAs (which SPAAs are great counters for)
- airplanes (which SPAAs are great counters for)
- and possibly some BT-5s and chaffees and pumas and BMPs and things from a few people who don’t agree with my strategy (which SPAAs are still great counters for, though)
If I get the SP I need for a plane, then great. If I don’t, then I’m appropriately equipped to deal with all of the most likely threats I will face until I DO get the SP I need.