Except there isnt much bluefor going down…tornado IDS is a higher BR than the mig23MLD now…
Sea Harrier is the same BR. Heck AV-8B(NA) is a higher BR with no radar at all.
A-10C is 11.7, so won’t even see mig23MLDs every bracket
There just didn’t need to move down. They should have stayed at 11.7.
And for the record, Su-27 was perfectly competitive. Mig 29 was perfectly compeitiev and R27ER was OP.
Only the Su27SM is struggling with it’s 12x AAMs and mostly due to a buggy radar and not really anything else…I’m sure theyll.get a meta aircraft in this next update that no one will be able to fight
And you are wrong. Just because the soviets couldn’t win every battle with their eyes closed anymore like this did with the Mig-23MLD Vs F4s for years. Doesn’t mean they weren’t perfectly playable. And able to fight back. Just the average skill level of soviet players is far lower than most
Unfortunately only one side is factually correct here and it ain’t the guy peddling falsehoods about previous metas saying redfor has always been competitive in sim like what lmao
9M has always been better in sim, no arguing this. Sim does not have constant nail biting stallfights where the R-73 pulls ahead. The 9M is objectively better. You’d have a case in RB/AB.
R-27ER being better matters a whole lot when the meta is IR missiles and 9Ms! Let’s not forget the trash ass russian radars trying to hold you back constantly!
And you are just a soviet main that thinks Aim-9M is a god tier missile. It’s worse than Aim-9L half the time due to the lock range issues. Only really good If the target doesn’t see you coming or you are directly behind the target. In any other aspect. You are better off with R-73 or Magic II. I actually spent a chunk of that IR meta time with 2x 9Ls so that I had IR missiles with a range greater than 2km.
.just pop some flares next time
Ok so? It’s a fast plane used by bomb point farmers.
Av-8B NA is one of the best farming places in the game. 10x JDAM on a good platform has changed the farming meta to bombing airfield air defenses.
The A-10C should have never been placed at 11.3BR in the first place. And it will still be overpowered at 11.7BR in 3/4 of the brackets that it fights in.
They moved because planes like A-10C were under tiered and could slam them with Aim-9M. Or they get farmed by Mirage F-1C after the flight model changes.
The Su-27 was not competitive against Gripen and the R-27ER was never OP when 100m multi-pathing negated it. And now that we have 60m multi-pathing…blue side also has better BVR missiles in the form of AMRAAM and Fakour 90.
Red side top tier has not had a decisive advantage since the MiG-23MLD was top tier. Heck…China finally got a flight model that is on par with blue teams…and blue teams are starting to quit left and right at top tier because they don’t know how to fight.
Literally nobody thinks this, not even you if you aren’t actively fooling yourself. My name is literally Italy Suffers, what nation do you think I have played the most? Then understand I OWN ALMOST EVERY NATION. This shit just makes you look bad.
In sim? It is. Smokeless alone makes a massive difference but the IRCCM is also much harder to fool than the R-73s in most cases.
Not getting these strange issues you keep bringing up.
Then that is a skill issue. I have an easier time flaring Aim-9M than R-73s 99% of the time. And thats usually in the hardest aircraft to flare anything in, the FA2 with BOL
I rarely die to either, in the FA2 the hottest aircraft at top tier. With BOL flares. The weakest flares in game.
If you are dying to either, then that’s a you issue. But 9Ms I barely have to do more than pop a few flares. R-73s I normally have to throttle down as well as flares. So defo skill issue on you
I’m not saying that it does. But rather that I don’t think it makes a bit of difference to that particular plane.
Currently the Tornado IDS and Tornado Gr.1 are at 11.7BR which means they will see MiG-23 ML variants on every day of the week. Dropping the MiG-23 variants down a step doesn’t alter that fact.
Bombing is an objective in EC and has an impact on win rates. AV-8B NA with 10 JDAMS routinely destroy the majority of a ground battle in a single pass.
The combination of using an A-10C to control a capture point and then Av-8B NA obliterate the subsequent ground battle is practically a guaranteed recipe for winning any game that isn’t glitched.
On top of that…USA side can now just go kill red side players at the airfield because the AA is getting taken out every 10 minutes.
Maybe they’ve finally fixed it a bit. The last time I tried to play the Gripen. I had a Su-27 flying straight at me on full reheat, I didn’t get a lock until he was 2m off my nose practically. Also had plenty of issues in the Gr7 before that, rarely did they want to lock at any meaningful range.
Shall have a play tomorrow and see for myself. But maybe the A-10Cs HMD was helping out a lot?
