BI-1 Is Pay-to-Win and needs to be dealt with

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It totally can go higher. At 7.3 or 7.7 it’ll still be effective as hell, just people will have to accept there are not able to clown on the entire lobby.

Nah, I don’t believe you. You’re not saying the BI should go to 7.3-7.7 because it’ll do well there, you’re saying this because it’s ruined your Ta 152 sessions. And I know this, because I’ve shot you down several times in such sessions, and you were none too civil about it.

Which is fair. Fighting the BI in a prop is an uphill struggle. That doesn’t mean the BI is 7.3-7.7 material. I’ve played matches against jets at those BRs, and it doesn’t hold up.

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Yeah, that is spare change for me too, doesn’t change that it is an obscure plane that no one uses except at an obscure BR.

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As a 6.0-7.0 enjoyer, it’s starting to get annoying seeing it every single time.

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Nah, you should learn how to use it in that environment.
If I can bring the Horten to 8.0-9.0 and do relatively well, and bring the J7W1 to 7.3 and do fairly well, then so can you bring the BI to 7.7 and learn how to get faster planes into bad situations.

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Well considering the fact you’re the only one playing 6.0-7.0, yeah, makes sense people are testing out their new toy.

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Objectively wrong. Just because you’re ignorant of early jet and late prop tiers doesn’t mean there is no population of players playing at those BRs.

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It takes me a minute plus to get into a match at Chinese 6.0-7.7, no one plays those BRs, or very rarely do

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No BI acelord shot me down in Ta-152H “several times”, I’ve met one BI guy in A2D a few times, I made him crash :D maybe that was you, hence you remember me so well. I sure as hell don’t remember you. But then again, I mostly remember good players.

Nothing at 7.3 can rival BI’s climb, turn and acceleration, but hey, they can outrun you, how horrible. 7.7 ir would work just fine. Better to have BI sweatlords/statpadders struggle than to see entire lobby massacred by a wonderplane that can produce 25% of thrust with 20 times fuel consumption reduction, lol.

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A whole minute, the horror.

You’ve made it very clear, over and over again that “nobody plays props or early jets” as it is an “obscure BR”, so what investment do you have in this thread about an obscure plane at an irrelevant BR?

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Who are all of these people I killed in the recent days then, if nobody is playing? And are you SERIOUSLY complaining about waiting 60-90 seconds?

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To stir the pot? I’m just waiting for the ribs to be done, so if it means pissing on some BR I generally avoid, eh, it’s worth it for a three minute fight where I tell you to have a good day.

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Good job?

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I have far less experience facing the BI in jets compared to props but here’s my take based off the numbers.

Even at low altitude, the BI can maintain around 500 MPH TAS at only 30% throttle, which will last about 20 minutes from a full tank, and it can accelerate from takeoff to this speed in seconds. Early jets, especially at 7.0 and below, have poor acceleration, and top speeds not much faster than this. I think that in a 6.0 - 7.0 or 6.3 - 7.3 match on normal sized maps, if the BI is aggressive early in the match by flying directly towards the enemy AF in a high speed, shallow climb there will be basically nothing the jets can do. The BI will reach them with a speed and alt advantage far before they have time to accelerate, and can just start tearing them apart. The more they maneuver trying to avoid or kill the BI, the less chance they have of catching it and the more vulnerable they will be when the rest of the BI’s teammates arrive. The BI is outright superior to any 7.0 jet imo.

For fighting jets which are significantly faster than the BI, like 7.7s or higher, I think the key will be the BI’s rate of climb. You can’t get BnZed relentlessly by an enemy who is far below you, even if they are going 100 mph faster. Sure, the BI would not be able to catch such an opponent without ripping, but other 7.0-7.3 jets would have the same problem in the same situation. In reality, a Meteor Mk. 3 or F3D could only dream of finding itself in a situation where, having been able to so effortlessly outclimb all Mig-15s and Sabres while still being able to go 550 mph TAS, it now can’t dive on them without ripping unless they slow down.

I think from this position at altitude over the combat area, the BI should conserve its fuel by throttling down to maintain ~300-350 mph, and dive opportunistically on anyone who gets too slow. If the enemies are staying fast, stay high. If they are slow, get in there and kill them. Maximize your opportunities by staying just high enough that the enemies cant reach you without exposing themselves for you to attack, but not so high that you accelerate uncontrollably when diving in and/or they have time to dive/accelerate away. This is somewhat similar in method but drastically easier than playing the Ki-200 in an uptier against supersonics.

The BI would suffer from BR compression at 7.0/7.3, but it would still be in a better position than many 7.0 or 7.3 jets. Let’s say you climb up to 20000 feet, and burn through half of your fuel doing so, such that you have only 1 minute left. At 20% throttle, you can still fly at over 500 mph for over 25 minutes. Due to being a rocket the BI benefits massively in fuel economy at high altitude, since drag decreases with increasing altitude, but unlike a prop or jet, thrust actually increases. This makes the BI’s physics-defyingly efficient rocket engine even more insane.

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Lmao so you really were just shitposting. Go to 4cha- ah, reddit for that.
Why are you avoiding this BR? It’s fun and there are plenty of games. You don’t need to get games that quick because you insta die on battle start to some full commit headon as an attacker plane, do you?

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BR should be 7.0

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Just generally not a fan of large map, small planes. Then again, my experience at the early jets have mainly been Vampires (what I get for picking the three countries with Vampires by complete coincidence). It left a sour taste, and I just avoid it.

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Man, that explains it all. The Vampire deserves 7.0, it’s inferior to the Ho 229 in regards to speed, acceleration, and turn. The playstyle is you baiting people to turn with you, and you can’t do anything else. That’s not the case with the vast majority of other planes at those BRs.
The Mig-9s suck too, you depend on being faster than others, but you’re always facing faster opponents, so tough luck with the Chinese tree too.

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If it can gets to target its better already

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The BI will reach them with a speed and alt advantage far before they have time to accelerate, and can just start tearing them apart.

This is true with regards to jets like the Horten, the Meteor Mk. 3, and the J21/A21. Those are always the easy targets. They’re not very common in my experience, with most jets I face being airspawning F-84s, F3D, F2H-2, the airspawning Jabo, the SK-60B, F-89B, and the occasional Kikka. Then you have some mandatory B-29s throw into the mix.

By far the most annoying one to fight is the F2H-2, with a boom n zooming 262 or F-89B at altitude right behind.

I think from this position at altitude over the combat area, the BI should conserve its fuel by throttling down to maintain ~300-350 mph, and dive opportunistically on anyone who gets too slow.

The BI is not a boom n zoomer. You’re not gaining anything by resorting to dive tactics in a plane that can’t break 434 mph without compressing. At least not against planes that are faster than you on the deck.

Maximize your opportunities by staying just high enough that the enemies cant reach you without exposing themselves for you to attack, but not so high that you accelerate uncontrollably when diving in and/or they have time to dive/accelerate away.

I’m not sure what this scenario would be. If you have to withhold energy in a dive, it doesn’t matter if you’re 2,5 km away or 5 km away. It depends on whether they’re slow in the first place, and if they’re aware of you as you approach. If they are aware of you, and they’re one of the enemy jets that are difficult to catch, it’s just more effective to bait them in with the false hope of superiority in numbers, and see if they’ll try tag-teaming you with a dogfight.

The BI would suffer from BR compression at 7.0/7.3, but it would still be in a better position than many 7.0 or 7.3 jets.

This is why I argue for BR decompression instead. The performance gap in this BR range is pretty big, especially when you consider the enemies you’ll be up against in an uptier.

Due to being a rocket the BI benefits massively in fuel economy at high altitude, since drag decreases with increasing altitude, but unlike a prop or jet, thrust actually increases. This makes the BI’s physics-defyingly efficient rocket engine even more insane.

The biggest gain is actually the weight reduction once you get below 50 seconds of fuel. It’s preferable to burn away a good chunk of your first minute early game to set yourself up at around 4km alt and cruise around 18-24% on your approach to the enemy. That leaves you with some 30-35 seconds of 100% throttle usage for actual fighting, while you keep about 15 seconds handy for returning to the airfield. Below 5 seconds of fuel, I’ve made it across the map on 3% throttle (very slowly, though).

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I wasn’t saying I remembered you for being a good player. You just make your opinion loud and clear.

You once got angry after I killed you in the Ta 152 when you tried to dive on me and started complaining in the in-game chat for the rest of the match. The same day, when I encountered you again, you said “gg” and flew back to the airfield.