The only worthy plane seems to be the Ta152H (i only fought against him). Every other german prop feels like a free kill, they are in an incredibly sad state when compared to the overpowered planes that most nations have (i.e Yak3s, A6Ms, P51 C/H, late Spitfires)
Never in my 2k hours have i ever felt threatened by a FW190 or a BF109.
I wish i didn’t have to play them, but i have no choice if i want to research the jets.
The Bf109 only quality, which is climb is pretty much negated by anyone that chooses to contest your altitude, expecially the XP 50, absolutely disgusting plane.
The most infuriating experience, all new players should stay away from these heaps of garbage.
I will visit an airshow just to spit in the direction of any Bf of FW.
The Fw-190 I can agree with, I tried spading them while grinding the tree and just the thought of touching them again makes me physically recoil.
Bf-109? Holy skill issue.
109 E-1 I can see
109 E-4 Sure, guns are mid
109 F-1 I can somewhat see
109 F-2 and up? Actual skill issue.
Earlier 109s have genuinely atrocious 20mms and hurt to play, but the rank III and above ones are really good, you just can’t play it like a P-51 or F-16. Sideclimb to altitude, turn in, and BnZ people, never entering a tunrfight unless you know you can win (aka don’t turnfight anything Japanese) and USE FLAPS WHILE DOGFIGHTING
They are all bad, mid at best, the K4 is straight up worse than anything it faces.
Every 4.0-5.0 Bf gets outclassed by other nations, it’s not even funny. Their strengths are pointless
Actually you are correct - compared to wt 2018/2019 when Germany dominated prop Air RB almost at will, the end of Axis vs Allies meant also the end of this dominance.
The addition of fantasy nations like Sweden or Israel was another milestone - and playing as German fighter vs JP makes usually no sense as energy fighting vs enemies which refuse to stall out is not really recommended.
The mentioned op planes of other nations are just evidence that their average players are even worse than German players as gaijin sees the necessity to provide these aircraft in the first place.
You should know that wt and irl are not even remotely connected. And your statement is rather disturbing:
Bf 109s - most successful fighter aircraft ever built
Fw 190 - able to maintain a 4:1 K/D vs Spitfires 1941-1943
Your experiences with the early WW 2 jets will be even worse than with German props; He 162s and Me 262s are at their current BRs not competitive. Even the rare event 262 A-2a at 6.7 (with airspawn) needs a lot of experience and patience to make it work.
The few good pilots i see in German teams fly mainly the 3.3 109 F-2 or Ta 152 H-1s, you see a few of them even in 2.7 Me 410s.
I love the Fw 190 I got the premium for Japan cause I hated dealing with those things, to defeat a A6M2 you should boom and zoom, preferable head on attacks since the Zero has less firepower.
You should know that wt and irl are not even remotely connected. And your statement is rather disturbing:
Bf 109s - most successful fighter aircraft ever built
Fw 190 - able to maintain a 4:1 K/D vs Spitfires 1941-1943
I know they were good planes IRL, especially the Fw190, i just said this because i was extremely frustrated at the time, so frustrated that i had 3 neighbor come over and ask me if something happened (i smashed my keyboard so loud that i was heart 3 houses over because my windows was open)
Your experiences with the early WW 2 jets will be even worse than with German props; He 162s and Me 262s are at their current BRs not competitive. Even the rare event 262 A-2a at 6.7 (with airspawn) needs a lot of experience and patience to make it work.
I know they’re bad, every time i play the P51H and F84B, they are just free kills, i just need a fast jet for 7.7 GRB because i’m tired of gettins CASed and SPAA at that BR is non-existent or simply out-matched
I love the Fw 190 I got the premium for Japan cause I hated dealing with those things, to defeat a A6M2 you should boom and zoom, preferable head on attacks since the Zero has less firepower.
How do you boom and zoom someone above you? Let’s not pretend a Fw can outclimb any japanese prop, or any prop.
And before someone says sideclimb, you know they can and will do that as well?
The Fw190, all variants, are the most freest of the kills, even if they are 2km above, they are extremely easy to dodge and once you start your zoom after your failed the boom, an Yak3 will equalize your energy state almost instantly
I wanted to go see if you’ve ever actually played one and even Gaijin somehow doesn’t know you exist
The 109 is only cooked if you yourself are cooked. If you can’t adapt your playstyle to a way that the 109 accomodates, that’s not the plane’s problem
Boy oh boy did I miss this gem
I will not defend the Fw-190 but:
P-51C: YOU OUTTURN IN A 109 AND THEY HAVE .50S, same goes for H
A6M: You should know NOT to initiate a turnfight with anything Japanese
Yak-3: Most of the players are cannon fodder and like Japanese planes, you should not engage one in a turn fight
I can see late spitfires, those turn quick, but they aren’t “overpowered”
Even stock, the Bf109G14 is super fun to fly. Most planes I find akin to torture and find quick motivation to give up and take them to ARB to spade them. Bf109G14? I flew it fully stock for a full 3 hour Smolensk match and felt quite competetive against russian and general allied aircraft. Every death I had felt fair and was attributable to: greed and (lack of) situational awareness
Bf109F4 is a plane I know I can grab and fly in air sim without even looking at the day’s BR spread or what nations I’m facing. It’s peak versatility that has a solution to every problem, provided you react in time and react properly (american A6M2 is horrible for this - you see blue plane with american markings then you realize it’s a zero and die because you flew like it was a P-47). The only bad time I’ve had in the F4 was with a non-expert crew fighting american planes because high-speed turns kept giving me g-lock, and the usual bad time when a more agile plane tries fighting a faster plane that doesn’t take the bait to turnfight.
FW190s have issues but that’s more due to how warthunder models G forces and control stiffening. Hellcats, Mustangs and the Fw190 are meant to be used as high-speed aircraft where older designs like oscars, zeros, bf109s and older spitfires require too much muscle power to control the surfaces. A lot of planes turn far too well and can sustain too many Gs (superhuman pilot capable of inputting force as if they had hydraulic lines for arms) which makes aircraft built for high-speed turning obsolete.
Bf109K4’s main weakness is that it’s 5.7 alongside the F4U-4B and the F4U-4B is sort of busted.
No comments about the Tas as I rarely face them or fly beside or fly them myself.
One caveat:
Bf109s, like most aircraft, are quite severely limited by mouse aim and instructor. They’re incredibly maneuverable, but to prevent wing stalls, mouse aim only allows a fraction of this power. Mouse aim also does not use the rudder properly, and that makes flying mustangs with mouse aim feel quite bad. Bf109s don’t feel as bad, but they still flop around like a fish and fly uncoordinated in turns.
I wanted to go see if you’ve ever actually played one and even Gaijin somehow doesn’t know you exist
Search for “REO Speedwagon” if you want to see my stats, i changed my name a few days ago, or maybe yesterday, i don’t remember
The 109 is only cooked if you yourself are cooked. If you can’t adapt your playstyle to a way that the 109 accomodates, that’s not the plane’s problem
You cannot adapt to a Yak3 wanting you dead
P-51C: YOU OUTTURN IN A 109 AND THEY HAVE .50S, same goes for H
A6M: You should know NOT to initiate a turnfight with anything Japanese
Yak-3: Most of the players are cannon fodder and like Japanese planes, you should not engage one in a turn fight
Why would a P-51C turnfight you? And if he does, he will do it at high speed + flaps and in the worst case scenarion, the P-51C will simply run away
We don’t turn fight A6Ms here, why would you assume that? They will simply sit at high altitude or climb even higher when you try to extend, they only way to beat a japanese prop is if they voluntarily give you the advantage
Yak3 is absolutely cracked, it will outclimb a Bf and it will outperform it at altitude, you can try to bait him in a dive but he can still hit 700km without ripping and he will simply not follow, so you just gave him the advantage
All advice in fighting a Yak3, Zero, Spitfire, P51 is basically “pray he is dumb” which honestly most of the time this is the case
I always find this “advice” funny and i assume you said it as a joke. I mean, what if he stays fast and high? What then?
It’s that way for a lot of planes
Yeah, because everyone plays these OP (more meta fitting) planes, you’re only gonna see something like a P-47D-25 only if someone absolutely has to fly it, nobody wants to play junk and get dunked on.
These meta unfit planes are simply left at the mercy of other’s mistakes
The reason why germany suffers in the first place is the horde of unexperienced players nowadays.
If you see a whole german team flying in mid alt, you know they will loose. And that’s most of the time. If one is climbing, most of the time he plays super passive.
The same problem with Ta 152 H1 and He 162. The planes arent bad. But you have to know how to fly them. The horde of japanese players still grinding R2D2s make it even worse.
Bf 109 and Fw 190 are planes forgiving no mistake. Every mistake you do will end in death if your enemy has one braincell more than average.
Because you have to know the energy state of your enemy AND the weaknesses of his plane. AND you need an escape plan. Outdiving is no option.
Watch DEFYN’s video about napalmratte’s comment about the Bf 109 G2 and you will see what a Bf 109 is able to.
Only way to consistently beat Bf109s with Mustang Mk Ia in my experience is for them to mess up the lead-turn and give up position at high-enough altitude that you can keep your speed up to keep turning aggressively. However, both of you got the ability to reset in what I feel is a fair assymetry - Bf109 can realize they lost the initial position so can take the fight vertical and the razorback mustang can realize they lost initial position and dive away.
Early spits are very vulnerable to this (pray “he is dumb”) because the Bf109 can do what P51C does, but does it better. Rather than run away in a straight line, you run away vertically. Spitfires really don’t like vertical - they prefer to turn when somewhat fast and handle not very nice at low speeds (as opposed to zeros which prefer low, near-stalls) compared to Bf109s - so if you in a spitfire Mk V or Spitfire IX (not LF IX) face a Bf109, you’re kind of cooked if they decide to play like a helicopter because you can’t run away to disengage after realizing it.
Zeros are just painfully slow. When grinding R2Y for fomo, I preferred raiden and ki-61 to zeros.
Yak3 I don’t have enough experience in or against as germany to comment. Main thing I can note though is they got incredible roll rates so usually you need to combine proverse roll (rudder same direction as ailerons) to keep up in scissors with something like a non-clipped wing spitfire. I presume same idea can be applied to germans - scissors with proverse roll to get an edge. From what I’ve seen people complaining though - F4 has better flat-turn performance due to having had seen posts people confused why bf109s out turn yaks (with full-real controls).
My strategy is to keep my speed for when they dive on me, don’t follow into the vertical. Once they dive, do a vertical head on and hope for the best
The scariest time facing fw190’s is when they are behind me, I can try and dive, but they are faster, I can try and turn, but they will shoot me before I complete my turn. I basically spam “somebody cover me!” And try to prolong my life