Belgian Ground Forces Sub-tree - Resist and Bite!

mr_boo · February 21, 2024, 9:06am

Would you like to see a Belgian sub-tree in-game?

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Are you interested in the “tab” subtree idea?

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Belgian Ground Forces - Résiste et Mords !

Hey everyone,

On one of my recent posts, i saw that a fair amount of people were in favor of a Belgian sub-tree to France. So in the event that a BeNeLux tree is denied, here’s my suggestion for it!

Now i have heard some people say a Belgian sub-tree should go to Germany, but i don’t think it makes any sense nor is it necessary. You’re free to want this for Germany or something else of course, but this suggestion is oriented towards the French tree.

Why France? Let me give you a few reasons

Belgium is culturally and politically very close to France, as almost half of Belgium speaks French
The Belgian army is working very closely with the French army and is buying a lot of French equipment with the ‘CaMo’ program (Capacité Motorisée) such as Caesar cannons, EBRC Jaguar, etc.
France notoriously lacks stabilized vehicles all the way up to 9.3, and Belgium could provide some badly needed stabilized equipment
France currently isn’t played a lot compared to bigger nations, and a new subtree could easily pump those numbers up and make Gaijin invest more in it.

Here’s the subtree in the usual line form:

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While it does make the tree quite chonky, a few issue arise when taking this approach.
First and foremost, it is limited to a single line and limits Belgian potential quite severely.
But it is also simply impossible to have more than 5 lines in a tree at the moment, due to a UI problem that Gaijin hasn’t solved yet.

Fortunately, there is an idea floating around - “tab” sub-trees!

Simply put, they would be large subtrees consisting of several lines placed in a separate tab just like the Army tabs, Helicopter tabs, Bluewater fleet tabs, etc.
In this case, we would see a “Belgium” tab next to the Bluewater fleet tab!

While there are no “tab sub-trees” in the game yet, they would be perfect solutions for nations that have too many unique vehicles to be compressed into a single line, but not quite enough to make a full tree on their own.

With this idea in mind, i also made two Belgian tab trees, what you could call a “mini-tech tree”, a smaller, reasonable one as well as a bigger, more ambitious one.

Smaller tab tree

Bigger tab tree

As you can see - there was indeed too much to compress into a single line!

Unfortunately, there are no heavy tanks - Belgian vehicles are for fast, powerful light tanks enjoyers!

Vehicle breakdown (large tab tree)

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Rank I

T.15

Light tank armed with a 13.2 mm HMG

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Crew: 2 (gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Meadows 6 cylinder engine
Engine horsepower: 88 hp
Max speed: 64 km/h

Armour:
Up to 9mm

Armament:

1 x 1 13.2 mm Hotchkiss machine gun
- AP - [penetrates 28mm at 0 meters, 0°]
1 x 1 7.5 mm FN-Browning FM-30 roof mounted machine gun

Rank II

Ford F60L, 20 mm, Triple

F60L truck fitted with three Polsten 20 mm cannons to fulfill an SPAA role

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Crew: 5 (commander, gunner, driver, 2 x loader)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Own V8-cylinder engine
Engine horsepower: 95 hp
Max speed: 70 km/h

Armour:
Not worth mentioning

Armament:

1 x 3 20 mm Polsten autocannons
- Reload type: Drum-fed gun
- Rate of fire: 1350 rounds per minute (Combined fire rate)

Rank III

SIBMAS Serval 60/20

IFV based on the same prototype as the Ratel, main difference is that the SIBMAS is amphibious. This one has been fitted with a Hispano-Suiza Serval 60/20 turret.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: Unknown
Gunner equipment: Unknown
Vision equipment: Unknown

Powerplant: MAN Diesel D 2566 MK 6-cylinder water-cooled diesel
Engine horsepower: 320 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h (11 km/h in water)

Armour:
Front: 10 - 20 mm at various angles
Sides: 10 mm at 0°
Rear: 10 mm at 11°
Roof: 6 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 60 mm HB60LP Gun-mortar
- Ammunition types:
  - HEAT (60mmCC) - [254 m/s, penetrates 200mm, 0°]
  - APFSDS (F601) - [900 m/s, penetrates 20mm at 2000 meters, 45°]
1 x 1 20 mm HS-820 Oerlikon KAD-B16 coaxial autocannon
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

Vickers Valkyr Serval 60/20

Irish-British-Belgian APC prototype, this one fitted with the same Serval turret and tested in Belgium

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: Unknown
Gunner equipment: Unknown
Vision equipment: Unknown

Powerplant: 4-53T 6-cylinder engine
Engine horsepower: 180 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h (amphibious)

Armour:
All-round protection against 7.62 mm AP

Armament:

1 x 1 60 mm HB60LP Gun-mortar
- Ammunition types:
  - HEAT (60mmCC) - [254 m/s, penetrates 200mm, 0°]
  - APFSDS (F601) - [900 m/s, penetrates 20mm at 2000 meters, 45°]
1 x 1 20 mm HS-820 Oerlikon KAD-B16 coaxial autocannon
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

Rank IV

Cobra IFV 204GK

Amphibious IFV prototype with an electrical transmission allowing for very high speeds both forwards and in reverse. This one is fitted with a 204GK turret, allowing for an SPAA/cancer flanker gameplay.

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, driver, hull machine gunner)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Cummings VT-190 V6 diesel engine
Engine horsepower: 190 hp
Max speed: 80 km/h (5 km/h in water)

Armour:
Very light

Armament:

1 x 1 20 mm Oerlikon KAA autocannon
- Ammunition types:
  - HEI
  - HEI-T
  - SAPHEI
  - SAPHEI-T
  - AP-T - [penetrates 20mm at 800 meters, 45°]
- Reload type: Belt-fed gun
- Rate of fire: 900 rounds per minute
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG hull mounted machine gun

SIBMAS Rarden

IFV based on the same prototype as the Ratel, main difference is that the SIBMAS is amphibious. This one is also an early variant of the SIBMAS, lacking the big glass drivers position. It is fitted with a 30 mm Rarden turret.

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, driver, rear machine gunner)
Stabilizer: Unknown
Gunner equipment: Unknown
Vision equipment: Night Vision

Powerplant: MAN Diesel D 2566 MK 6-cylinder water-cooled diesel
Engine horsepower: 320 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h (11 km/h in water)

Armour:
Front: 10 - 20 mm at various angles
Sides: 10 mm at 0°
Rear: 10 mm at 11°
Roof: 6 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 30 mm L21A1 RARDEN autocannon
- Ammunition types:
  - HEI-T
  - SAP-I
  - APDS-T
- Reload type: Manual
- Rate of fire: 90 rounds per minute
2 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG machine guns (1 x coaxial, 1 x rear turret)
- Ammunition storage: Unknown

Rank V

SIBMAS TG 120

IFV based on the same prototype as the Ratel, main difference is that the SIBMAS is amphibious. It is fitted with a 25 mm TG 120 turret with a stabilized gun and a much higher rate of fire.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Unknown
Vision equipment: Unknown

Powerplant: MAN Diesel D 2566 MK 6-cylinder water-cooled diesel
Engine horsepower: 320 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h (11 km/h in water)

Armour:
Front: 10 - 20 mm at various angles
Sides: 10 mm at 0°
Rear: 10 mm at 11°
Roof: 6 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 25 mm Oerlikon KBB autocannon
- Ammunition types:
  - HEI-T (UIA)
  - AP-T (OPT)
  - APHEI (RIA)
  - APDS (OPTSOC)
- Reload type: Belt-fed gun
- Rate of fire: 800 rounds per minute
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

Rank VI

Piranha IIIC DF30

IFV in Belgian service today, fitted with an unmanned UT-30 turret.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal Vision

Powerplant: Caterpillar C-9 6-cylinder diesel
Engine horsepower: 395 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h

Armour:
light

Armament:

1 x 1 30 mm Bushmaster II gun
- Reload type: Belt-fed gun
- Rate of fire: 200 rounds per minute
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun
- Ammunition storage: Unknown

Piranha IIIC C3030

Piranha fitted with a Cockerill C3030 turret with a 7-tube Thales rocket launcher strapped to it.

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Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal Vision

Powerplant: Caterpillar C-9 6-cylinder diesel
Engine horsepower: 395 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h
Armour:
even lighter

Armament:

1 x 7 70 mm Rocket Pod
- Ammunition storage: 7 Rockets in the pod + Unknown number of spare rockets
- Ammunition types:
  - HEGP (FZ71) - [High Explosive General Purpose, 1 kg explosive mass]
  - HEAT (FZ49) - [High Explosive Anti Tank, 350 mm penetration]
  - LGR (FZ275) - [Semi-Active Laser Guided Rocket, 4.1 kg explosive mass]
  - SMK (FZ336) - [Smoke rocket]
1 x 1 30 mm Bushmaster II gun
- Reload type: Belt-fed gun
- Rate of fire: 200 rounds per minute
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

Rank VII

Piranha IIIC DF30 (late)

This Piranha is the same one as the standard DF30, except this one has two Spike missile launchers.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal Vision

Powerplant: Caterpillar C-9 6-cylinder diesel
Engine horsepower: 395 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h

Armour:
light

Armament:

1 x 2 130 mm Spike launcher
- Ammunition storage: 2 Missiles in the launcher + Unknown number of spare missiles
1 x 1 30 mm Bushmaster II gun
- Reload type: Belt-fed gun
- Rate of fire: 200 rounds per minute
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

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Rank I

M8 Type 1

M8 Greyhound modified during the Congo crisis with added armour plates on top of the turret, making it less vulnerable to strafing.

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Crew: 5 (commander, gunner, driver, co-driver, roof-machine gunner)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Hercules JXD 6-cylinder gasoline engine
Engine horsepower: 110 hp
Max speed: 90 km/h

Armour:
Front: 12.7 mm at 59°
Sides: 9.5 mm at 0°
Rear: 9.5 mm at 0°

Armament:

1 x 1 37 mm M6 gun
- Ammunition storage: 80 rounds
- Ammunition types:
  - AP (M74B1)
  - APCBC (M51B1)
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 3.5 seconds
1 x 1 12.7 mm M2 machine gun on a pintle mount
- Ammunition storage: 400 rounds
1 x 1 7.92 mm M1919 coaxial machine gun
- Ammunition storage: 1500 rounds

Rank II

AEC Armoured Car Mk III

Belgian AEC Mk III used after the Second World War

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, driver, loader)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: AEC 197 engine
Engine horsepower: 158 hp
Max speed: 66 km/h

Armour:
Front: 17 mm at 57°
Sides: 25 mm at 0°
Rear: 14 mm at 11°
Roof: 17 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 75 mm QF 75 gun
- Ammunition storage: Unknown
- Ammunition types:
  - HE (M48)
  - AP (M72)
  - APCBC (M61)
  - SMK (M89)
- Reload type: Manual
1 x 1 7.92 mm Besa coaxial machine gun
- Ammunition storage: 3375 rounds

Rank III

Unimog SH 405 (M20 RCL)

Belgian Unimog armed with a recoilless rifle used in the Congo.

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Crew: 2 (gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Mercedes-Benz engine
Engine horsepower: 90 hp
Max speed: 73 km/h

Armour:
Front: 10 mm at 56° + appliqué armour in front of the driver
Sides: 8 mm at 30°
Rear: 8 mm at 25°
Roof: 6 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 75 mm M20 recoilless rifle
- Ammunition types:
  - HE
  - HEAT
- Reload type: Manual

Rank IV

SIBMAS Scorpion 90

IFV based on the same prototype as the Ratel, main difference is that the SIBMAS is amphibious. This one is also an early variant of the SIBMAS, lacking the big glass drivers position. It is fitted with a Scorpion 90 turret.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: Unknown
Gunner equipment: Unknown
Vision equipment: Unknown

Powerplant: MAN Diesel D 2566 MK 6-cylinder water-cooled diesel
Engine horsepower: 320 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h (11 km/h in water)

Armour:
Front: 10 - 20 mm at various angles
Sides: 10 mm at 0°
Rear: 10 mm at 11°
Roof: 6 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm Cockerill Mk. III gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HE-T (M616) - [714 m/s, 1.1 kg explosive mass]
  - HESH-T (M625A1) - [800 m/s, 1.2 kg explosive mass]
  - HEAT-T (M620A1) - [890 m/s, penetrates 250mm]
  - HEAT-T (NR 478) - [890 m/s, penetrates 300mm]
  - HEAT-T-HVY (NR 220) - [700 m/s, penetrates 330mm]
  - SMK(WP)-T (M618A1) - [714 m/s, smoke round]
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

Valkyr CM 90

Irish-British-Belgian APC prototype, this one fitted with a Cockerill CM 90 turret and tested in Belgium

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: Optional LRF
Vision equipment: Optional NVD

Powerplant: 4-53T 6-cylinder engine
Engine horsepower: 180 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h (amphibious)

Armour:
All-round protection against 7.62 mm AP

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm Cockerill Mk. III gun
- Ammunition storage: 12 + hull stowage
- Ammunition types:
  - HE-T (M616) - [714 m/s, 1.1 kg explosive mass]
  - HESH-T (M625A1) - [800 m/s, 1.2 kg explosive mass]
  - HEAT-T (M620A1) - [890 m/s, penetrates 250mm]
  - HEAT-T (NR 478) - [890 m/s, penetrates 300mm]
  - HEAT-T-HVY (NR 220) - [700 m/s, penetrates 330mm]
  - SMK(WP)-T (M618A1) - [714 m/s, smoke round]
2 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

Rank V

FN 4RM/62F ABC

Armoured car made for the Gendarmerie from the 1960s and used until the 1990s. Armed with a 90 mm CATI cannon.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: FN 4RM 6-cylinder petrol engine
Engine horsepower: 320 hp
Max speed: 110 km/h

Armour:
Front: 10 - 20 mm at various angles
Sides: 10 mm at 0°
Rear: 10 mm at 11°
Roof: 6 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm MECAR 90/28 gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HE
  - HEAT
  - SMK
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 6 seconds
2 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG machine guns (1 x coaxial, 1 x pintle mount)

Rank VI

SIBMAS CSE 90

IFV based on the same prototype as the Ratel, main difference is that the SIBMAS is amphibious. It is fitted with a Cockerill CSE 90 turret. The main difference between the CM 90 and CSE 90 turrets is the gun, which on the CSE 90 is the single-baffled Mk. IIIMA-1 firing APFSDS.

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, driver, rear machine gunner)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night Vision, optional TVD

Powerplant: MAN Diesel D 2566 MK 6-cylinder water-cooled diesel
Engine horsepower: 320 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h (11 km/h in water)

Armour:
Front: 10 - 20 mm at various angles
Sides: 10 mm at 0°
Rear: 10 mm at 11°
Roof: 6 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm Cockerill Mk IIIM-A1 gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HE-T (M616) - [714 m/s, 1.1 kg explosive mass]
  - HESH-T (M625A1) - [800 m/s, 1.2 kg explosive mass]
  - HEAT-T (M620A1) - [890 m/s, penetrates 250mm at 0°, 130mm at 60°]
  - HEAT-T (NR 478) - [890 m/s, penetrates 300mm]
  - HEAT-T-HVY (NR 220) - [700 m/s, penetrates 330mm]
  - APFSDS-T (M652A1) - [1210 m/s, penetrates 100mm at 1000 meters, 60°]
  - SMK(WP)-T (M618A1) - [714 m/s, smoke round]
3 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG machine guns (1 x coaxial, 1 x pintle mount, 1 x rear turret)

Vickers Valkyr CSE 90

Irish-British-Belgian APC prototype, this one fitted with the Cockerill CSE 90 turret.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night vision, optional TVD

Powerplant: 4-53T 6-cylinder engine
Engine horsepower: 180 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h (amphibious)

Armour:
All-round protection against 7.62 mm AP

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm Cockerill Mk IIIM-A1 gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HE-T (M616) - [714 m/s, 1.1 kg explosive mass]
  - HESH-T (M625A1) - [800 m/s, 1.2 kg explosive mass]
  - HEAT-T (M620A1) - [890 m/s, penetrates 250mm at 0°, 130mm at 60°]
  - HEAT-T (NR 478) - [890 m/s, penetrates 300mm]
  - HEAT-T-HVY (NR 220) - [700 m/s, penetrates 330mm]
  - APFSDS-T (M652A1) - [1210 m/s, penetrates 100mm at 1000 meters, 60°]
  - SMK(WP)-T (M618A1) - [714 m/s, smoke round]
2 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG machine guns

Piranha IIIC DF90

The Belgian army’s main anti-tank vehicle (kinda) fitted with an uparmoured Cockerill LCTS 90MP turret but without the autoloader.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal Vision

Powerplant: Caterpillar C-9 6-cylinder diesel
Engine horsepower: 395 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h

Armour:
Unknown

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm Cockerill Mk 8 gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HESH-T (M691A2) - [712 m/s, 1.9 kg explosive mass]
  - HESH-IM-T (M691B2) - [712 m/s, 2.2 kg explosive mass]
  - APFSDS-T (M690A1) - [1330 m/s, penetrates 150mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
  - GLATGM (Falarick 90) - [penetrates more then 550mm, Tandem-charge]
  - SMK(WP)-T (M618A1) - [709 m/s, smoke round]
- Reload type: Manual
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

Rank VII

SIBMAS LCTS 90MP

IFV based on the same prototype as the Ratel, main difference is that the SIBMAS is amphibious. This one is fitted with the Cockerill LCTS 90MP turret.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal Vision

Powerplant: MAN Diesel D 2566 MK 6-cylinder water-cooled diesel
Engine horsepower: 320 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h (11 km/h in water)

Armour:
Front: 10 - 20 mm at various angles
Sides: 10 mm at 0°
Rear: 10 mm at 11°
Roof: 6 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm Cockerill Mk 8 gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HESH-T (M691A2) - [712 m/s, 1.9 kg explosive mass]
  - HESH-IM-T (M691B2) - [712 m/s, 2.2 kg explosive mass]
  - APFSDS-T (M690A1) - [1330 m/s, penetrates 150mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
  - GLATGM (Falarick 90) - [penetrates more then 550mm, Tandem-charge]
  - SMK(WP)-T (M618A1) - [709 m/s, smoke round]
- Reload type: Auto-loader
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

Rank VIII

Boxer MGS C3105

Joint project involving the German-Dutch Boxer MGS and the Cockerill 3105 turret, tested by Cockerill.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal Vision

Powerplant: MTU MB 838 CaM 500 multifuel engine
Engine horsepower: 830 hp
Max speed: 65 km/h

Armour:
Unknown

Armament:

1 x 1 105 mm Cockerill HP gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HESH (M393A3)
  - HEAT (M1061) [1173 m/s, penetrates 400mm at 1500 meters, 0°]
  - APFSDS (M1060CV) [1620 m/s, penetrates 560mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
  - GLATGM (Falarick 105) [penetrates more then 550mm, Tandem-charge]
  - SMK (M416) [731 m/s, smoke round]
- Reload type: Auto-loader
- Reload rate: 5 s
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

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Rank I

T.13 B1

Tank destroyer from the 1930’s used primarily by the Chasseurs Ardennais.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Meadows 5-cylinder gasoline engine
Engine horsepower: 55 hp
Max speed: 48 km/h

Armour:
Up to 13 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 47 mm C.47 F.R.C. Mod.31 gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HE-T (O.E.A.) - [180 g explosive mass]
  - APC - (O.R.A.Tr) - [penetrates 63mm at 0 meters, 0°]
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 2.4 seconds
1 x 1 7.62 mm M1918 coaxial machine gun

T.13 B2

Slightly improved variant of the T.13 tank destroyer.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Meadows 5-cylinder gasoline engine
Engine horsepower: 55 hp
Max speed: 48 km/h

Armour:
Up to 13 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 47 mm C.47 F.R.C. Mod.31 gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HE-T (O.E.A.) - [180 g explosive mass]
  - APC - (O.R.A.Tr) - [penetrates 63mm at 0 meters, 0°]
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 2.4 seconds
1 x 1 7.62 mm M1918 coaxial machine gun

T.13 B3 (A/B)

Despite sharing the same name as the two previous ones, the B3 is a completely new vehicle based on a better hull providing way better mobility, a turret that finally faces forwards, more ammo and an extra crew member on the B3 B.

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Meadows 5-cylinder gasoline engine
Engine horsepower: 88 hp
Max speed: 70 km/h

Armour:
Up to 13 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 47 mm C.47 F.R.C. Mod.31 gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HE-T (O.E.A.) - [180 g explosive mass]
  - APC - (O.R.A.Tr) - [penetrates 63mm at 0 meters, 0°]
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 2.4 seconds
1 x 1 7.62 mm M1918 coaxial machine gun

ACG.1

Belgian AMC 35 used during the Second World War. This was also the best tank the Belgian Army had at the time. Something that sets the Belgian ones apart from the French ones is that multiple sources state that a Hotchkiss 13.2 mm heavy machine gun was fitted coaxially with the main gun instead of the 7.5mm machine gun, or at least tested with it by the FRC.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Renault water-cooled 4-cylinder petrol engine
Engine horsepower: 180 hp
Max speed: 47 km/h

Armour:
Front: 25 mm at 15°
Sides: 20 mm at 0°
Rear: 15 mm at 15°
Roof: 10 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 47 mm C.47 F.R.C. Mod.31 gun * Ammunition types:
- HE-T - [180 g explosive mass]
- APC - [penetrates 62mm at 0 meters, 0°]
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 3 seconds
1 x 1 13.2 mm Hotchkiss coaxial machine gun

Rank II

M24 (e)

M24 Chaffee with an improved electric transmission allowing for better acceleration and reverse speed, this electrical transmission would later be refined and used for the Cobra APCs and IFVs.

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Crew: 5 (commander, gunner, driver, bow-machine gunner, loader)
Stabilizer: One-plane stabilization (Vertical)
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Twin Cadillac Series 44T24 engine
Engine horsepower: 220 hp
Max speed: 56 km/h

Armour:
Front: 25.4 mm at 60°
Sides: 25.4 mm at 12°
Rear: 19 mm at 0°
Roof: 12.7 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 75 mm M6 gun
- Ammunition storage: 48 rounds
- Ammunition types:
  - HE (M48)
  - AP (M72)
  - APCBC (M61)
  - SMK (M64)
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 6.5 seconds
2 x 1 7.62 mm M1919 machine guns (1 x coaxial, 1 x hull mount)
- Ammunition storage: ~4000 rounds

Rank III

Sherman VC

Sherman Firefly used after the Second World War

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, driver, loader)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Chrysler A57 multibank engine
Engine horsepower: 370 hp
Max speed: 40 km/h

Armour:
Front: 50.8 mm at 56°
Sides: 38.1 mm at 0°
Rear: 38.1 mm at 10°
Roof: 25.4 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 76 mm QF 17-pounder gun
- Ammunition storage: 80 rounds
- Ammunition types:
  - HE (Mk.1)
  - AP (Mk.6)
  - APC (Mk.4)
  - APCBC (Mk.8)
  - SMK (SS Mk.1)
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 5.9 seconds
1 x 1 12.7 mm M2 machine gun on a pintle mount
- Ammunition storage: 800 rounds
1 x 1 7.62 mm L3A1 coaxial machine gun
- Ammunition storage: 5000 rounds

Rank IV

M113A1-B CM 90

Cockerill CM 90 turret tested on a Belgian M113 in the 1980s.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: Unknown
Vision equipment: Night Vision

Powerplant: Detroit Diesel 6V53T 6-cylinder diesel engine
Engine horsepower: 275 hp
Max speed: 64 km/h (6 km/h in water)

Armour: (Aluminum alloy)
Front: 38 mm at 45°
Sides: 44 mm at 0°
Rear: 38 mm at 10°
Roof: 38 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm Cockerill Mk III gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HE-T (M616) - [714 m/s, 1.1 kg explosive mass]
  - HE-T (M616A1) - [714 m/s, 1.1 kg explosive mass]
  - HESH-T (M625A1) - [800 m/s, 1.2 kg explosive mass]
  - HEAT-T (M620A1) - [890 m/s, penetrates 250mm at 0°]
  - HEAT-T (NR478) - [890 m/s, penetrates 300mm]
  - HEAT-T-HVY (NR 220) - [700 m/s, penetrates 330mm]
  - SMK(WP)-T (M618A1) - [714 m/s, smoke round]
- Reload type: Manual
2 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG machine gun

Scorpion 90

While Belgium never used the Scorpion 90 in service, at least one appears to have been tested or used, and it would be a shame not to include it as Belgium was the single biggest user of the CVR-T family outside of the UK. Interestingly, this one has the standard Mk III cannon.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: Unknown
Vision equipment: Unknown

Powerplant: Cummins diesel engine
Engine horsepower: 190 hp
Max speed: 72.5 km/h

Armour:
Light aluminium alloy armour

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm Cockerill Mk III gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HE-T (M616) - [714 m/s, 1.1 kg explosive mass]
  - HE-T (M616A1) - [714 m/s, 1.1 kg explosive mass]
  - HESH-T (M625A1) - [800 m/s, 1.2 kg explosive mass]
  - HEAT-T (M620A1) - [890 m/s, penetrates 250mm at 0°]
  - HEAT-T (NR478) - [890 m/s, penetrates 300mm]
  - HEAT-T-HVY (NR 220) - [700 m/s, penetrates 330mm]
  - SMK(WP)-T (M618A1) - [714 m/s, smoke round]
- Reload type: Manual
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG machine gun

Rank V

M47 (Cobelda)

M47 fitted with a Cobelda FCS, giving it access to a laser rangefinder

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Crew: 5 (commander, gunner, driver, co-driver, loader)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Continental AV-1790-5B V12 gasoline engine
Engine horsepower: 810 hp
Max speed: 48 km/h

Armour:
Front: 101.6 mm at 60°
Sides: 76.2 mm at 0°
Rear: 50.8 mm at 0°
Roof: 25.4 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm M36 gun
- Ammunition storage: 71 rounds
- Ammunition types:
  - HE (M71A1)
  - HEATFS (M431)
  - APBC (M318A1)
  - APCBC (M82)
  - APCR (M304)
  - APCR (M332)
  - SMK (M313)
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 9 seconds
1 x 1 12.7 mm M2 coaxial machine gun
- Ammunition storage: 1800 rounds
1 x 1 7.62 mm M1919 hull machine gun

M113A1-B CSE 90

Cockerill CSE 90 turret tested on a Belgian M113 in the 1980s.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Thermal vision (optional)

Powerplant: Detroit Diesel 6V53T 6-cylinder diesel engine
Engine horsepower: 275 hp
Max speed: 64 km/h (6 km/h in water)

Armour: (Aluminum alloy)
Front: 38 mm at 45°
Sides: 44 mm at 0°
Rear: 38 mm at 10°
Roof: 38 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm Cockerill Mk IIIMA-1 gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HE-T (M616) - [714 m/s, 1.1 kg explosive mass]
  - HESH-T (M625A1) - [800 m/s, 1.2 kg explosive mass]
  - HEAT-T (M620A1) - [890 m/s, penetrates 250mm at 0°]
  - HEAT-T (NR478) - [890 m/s, penetrates 300mm]
  - HEAT-T-HVY (NR 220) - [700 m/s, penetrates 330mm]
  - APFSDS-T (M652A1) - [1210 m/s, penetrates 100mm at 1000 meters, 60°]
  - SMK(WP)-T (M618A1) - [714 m/s, smoke round]
- Reload type: Manual
2 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG machine gun

Cobra IFV (MECAR)

IFV prototype fitted with a MECAR KEnerga 90/46 Light Gun System in a Cadillac Cage turret.

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, driver, co-driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Cummings VT-190 V6 diesel engine
Engine horsepower: 190 hp
Max speed: 75 km/h (5 km/h in water)

Armour:
Protection against heavy machine gun fire

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm MECAR KEnerga gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HE (M627)
  - HEATFS (M664)
  - APFSDS-T (M603) [1430 m/s, penetrates 150mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
  - SMK-T
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 6 seconds
3 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG machine guns (1 x coaxial, 2 x hull mounts)

Rank VI

M41 LCTS 90

M41 Walker Bulldog fitted with an early Cockerill LCTS 90 turret. Giving the tank access to a laser rangefinder and APFSDS rounds!

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, driver, loader)
Stabilizer: Probably not
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Thermal sights

Powerplant: Continental AOS-895-3 six-cylinder air-cooled petrol engine
Engine horsepower: 500 hp
Max speed: 72.4 km/h

Armour:
Front: 31.7 mm at 45°
Sides: 25.4 mm at 0°
Rear: 19 mm at 35°
Roof: 19 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm Cockerill Mk 7 gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HESH
  - HEATFS
  - APFSDS [1500 m/s]
- Reload type: Manual
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine guns
- Ammunition storage: 750 rounds

Cobra 90

Light tank development of the Cobra IFV prototypes made in the 1980s fitted with an AK 90 E turret.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal vision

Powerplant: Cummins VT-190 V6 diesel engine
Engine horsepower: 190 hp
Max speed: 80 km/h (5 km/h in water)

Armour:
Welded Steel construction providing protection against HE shell bursts and small arms

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm MECAR KEnerga gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HE (M627)
  - HEATFS (M664)
  - APFSDS-T (M603) [1430 m/s, penetrates 150mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
  - SMK-T
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 6 seconds
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine guns
- Ammunition storage: 750 rounds

Leopard 1BE SCT

Leopard 1 upgraded to receive a laser rangefinder and a stabiliser. It would be better than the A1A1 with the LRF but worse than the 1A5 without DM33 or thermal sights.

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, driver, loader)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night Vision

Powerplant: MTU MB 838 CaM 500 multifuel engine
Engine horsepower: 830 hp
Max speed: 65 km/h

Armour:
Front: 70 mm at 60°
Sides: 30 mm at 0°
Rear: 25 mm at 12°
Roof: 20 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 105 mm L7A3 gun
- Ammunition storage: 60 rounds
- Ammunition types:
  - HESH (DM512)
  - HEATFS (DM12)
  - APDS (DM13)
  - APFSDS (DM23)
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 8 seconds
2 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG machine guns (1 x coaxial, 1 x pintle mount)
- Ammunition storage: ~5000 rounds

Rank VII

Leopard 1A5BE

Leopard 1 tank upgraded to the 1A5 standard. The reason for this one being at 10.0 unlike the standard 1A5’s is its access to the MECAR M1060A3 round which pens >500mm at 2,000 meters at a 60° angle.

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, driver, loader)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal Vision

Powerplant: MTU MB 838 CaM 500 multifuel engine
Engine horsepower: 830 hp
Max speed: 65 km/h

Armour:
Front: 70 mm at 60°
Sides: 30 mm at 0°
Rear: 25 mm at 12°
Roof: 20 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 105 mm L7A3 gun
- Ammunition storage: 60 rounds
- Ammunition types:
  - HESH (DM512)
  - HEATFS (DM12)
  - APFSDS (M1060A1) [1510 m/s, penetrates 400mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
  - APFSDS (M1060A2) [1460 m/s, penetrates 440mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
  - APFSDS (M1060A3) [1560 m/s, penetrates 500mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 8 seconds
2 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG machine guns (1 x coaxial, 1 x pintle mount)
- Ammunition storage: ~5000 rounds

Leopard 1A5BE MEXAS

Leopard 1A5BE with added MEXAS armour to the turret and some on the hull.

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, driver, loader)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal Vision

Powerplant: MTU MB 838 CaM 500 multifuel engine
Engine horsepower: 830 hp
Max speed: 65 km/h

Armour:
Front: 70 mm at 60°
Sides: 30 mm at 0°
Rear: 25 mm at 12°
Roof: 20 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 105 mm L7A3 gun
- Ammunition storage: 60 rounds
- Ammunition types:
  - HESH (DM512)
  - HEATFS (DM12)
  - APFSDS (M1001) [1525 m/s]
  - APFSDS (M1050) [1510 m/s]
  - APFSDS (M1060A1) [1510 m/s, penetrates 400mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
  - APFSDS (M1060A2) [1460 m/s, penetrates 440mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
  - APFSDS (M1060A3) [1560 m/s, penetrates 500mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 8 seconds
2 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG machine guns (1 x coaxial, 1 x pintle mount)

Rank VIII

Leopard 1A5BE Cockerill 3105

Leopard 1A5BE fitted with the Cockerill 3105 turret. The reason for its high BR is the M1060CV round, which penetrates 560 mm at 2000m and 60°.

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, driver, loader)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal Vision

Powerplant: MTU MB 838 CaM 500 multifuel engine
Engine horsepower: 830 hp
Max speed: 65 km/h

Armour:
Front: 70 mm at 60°
Sides: 30 mm at 0°
Rear: 25 mm at 12°
Roof: 20 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 105 mm Cockerill HP gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HESH (M393A3)
  - HEAT (M1061) [1173 m/s, penetrates 400mm at 1500 meters, 0°]
  - APFSDS (M1060CV) [1620 m/s, penetrates 560mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
  - GLATGM (Falarick 105) [penetrates more then 550mm, Tandem-charge]
  - SMK (M416) [731 m/s, smoke round]
- Reload type: Auto-loader
- Reload rate: 5 seconds
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

K21-105

Joint project between Belgium and South Korea, K21 hull fitted with a 3105 turret seen performing firing tests in Belgium above.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal Vision

Powerplant: Doosan D2840LXE diesel engine
Engine horsepower: 750 hp
Max speed: 70 km/h

Armour:
Unknown

Armament:

1 x 1 105 mm Cockerill HP gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HESH (M393A3)
  - HEAT (M1061) [1173 m/s, penetrates 400mm at 1500 meters, 0°]
  - APFSDS (M1060CV) [1620 m/s, penetrates 560mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
  - GLATGM (Falarick 105) [penetrates more than 550mm, Tandem-charge]
  - SMK (M416) [731 m/s, smoke round]
- Reload type: Auto-loader
- Reload rate: 5 seconds
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

K21 XC-8

Another very similar joint project between Belgium and South Korea, this one with an XC-8 turret. There is also one with a 120 mm XC-8 that i didn’t include in the tree.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal Vision

Powerplant: Doosan D2840LXE diesel engine
Engine horsepower: 750 hp
Max speed: 70 km/h

Armour:
Unknown

Armament:

1 x 1 105 mm Cockerill HP gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HESH (M393A3)
  - HEAT (M1061) [1173 m/s, penetrates 400mm at 1500 meters, 0°]
  - APFSDS (M1060CV) [1620 m/s, penetrates 560mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
  - GLATGM (Falarick 105) [penetrates more than 550mm, Tandem-charge]
  - SMK (M416) [731 m/s, smoke round]
- Reload type: Auto-loader
- Reload rate: 5 seconds
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

Tank Destroyer line

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Rank I

Carden-Loyd Mk.VI

47 mm anti-tank gun mounted on a tiny tankette chassis

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Crew: 2 (gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Ford T 4-cylinder petrol engine
Engine horsepower: 40 hp
Max speed: 32 km/h

Armour:
Front: 9mm
Sides: 6mm
Rear: Unknown
Roof: Open topped

Armament:

1 x 1 47 mm F.R.C. L30 Modèle 1931 gun
- Ammunition storage: 54 rounds
  - HE-T (O.E.A.) - [180 g explosive mass]
  - APC - (O.R.A.Tr) - [penetrates 63mm at 0 meters, 0°]
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 2.4 seconds

Rank III

CATI 90

Post-war tank destroyer based on the Loyd carrier

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, driver, loader)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Ford V8 petrol engine
Engine horsepower: 90 hp
Max speed: 48 km/h

Armour:
Up to 7mm

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm MECAR 90/28 gun
- Ammunition storage: Unknown
- Ammunition types:
  - HE
  - HEAT-FS [633 m/s, penetrates 350mm, 0°]
  - SMK
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 6 seconds

Rank V

JPK-90

Belgian variant of the JPz 4-5 with a few modifications such as a different transmission and a laser rangefinder.

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night Vision

Powerplant: MB 837 engine
Engine horsepower: 500 hp
Max speed: 70 km/h

Armour:
50 mm at the front, 30 mm on the sides and rear

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm BK90 cannon
- Ammunition types:
  - HESH (DM502)
  - HEAT-FS (M431)
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 5.6 seconds
2 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

AMX-13 mod. 56 [ENTAC]

Belgian variant of the AMX VCI platform armed with one or two dual ENTAC ATGM launchers.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: Unknown

Powerplant: SOFAM 8-cylinder engine
Engine horsepower: 250 hp
Max speed: 60 km/h

Armour:
20 to 40 mm at the front, 20 mm on the sides and rear

Armament:

1 or 2 x 2 ENTAC ATGMs
- Ammunition types:
  - ATGM (ENTAC) [85 m/s, penetrates 650mm]
2 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

Rank VI

BDX APC

Belgian-Irish armored car used by the Rijkswacht/Gendarmerie, this one armed with MILAN ATGMs

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Crew: 2 (driver, gunner)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: Unknown

Powerplant: Chrysler 8-cylinder engine
Engine horsepower: 180 hp
Max speed: 100 km/h

Armour:
Unknown

Armament:

1 x 2 MILAN ATGMs
- Ammunition types:
  - ATGM (MILAN) [200 m/s, penetrates 530mm]

Premium / Event line

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Rank I

FN Tricar T3 (13.2 mm)

Tricar fitted with a 13.2 mm anti-aircraft machine gun

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Crew: 2 (gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: FN 2 cylinder engine
Engine horsepower: 22 hp
Max speed: 75 km/h

Armour:
Not worth mentioning

Armament:

1 x 1 13.2 mm FN-Browning machine gun
- Ammunition types:
  - AP [penetrates 28 mm]
  - HEF-T

ACG.1 Prototype

ACG.1 prototype armed with the 25 mm SA35 cannon used by a desperate Belgium in 1940.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Renault water-cooled 4-cylinder petrol engine
Engine horsepower: 180 hp
Max speed: 42 km/h

Armour:
Front: 25 mm at 15°
Sides: 20 mm at 0°
Rear: 15 mm at 15°
Roof: 10 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 25 mm SA35 L/72 gun
Ammunition types:
- APC - [penetrates 71mm at 0 meters, 0°]
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 3 seconds
1 x 1 7.5 mm Reibel coaxial machine gun

Rank II

Marder I

Marder I captured by the Belgian resistance in Antwerp in 1944.

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Delahaye 6-cylinder engine
Engine horsepower: 70 hp
Max speed: 35 km/h

Armour:
Hull: 11 mm
Superstructure: 9 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 75 mm PaK 40 gun
- Ammunition types:
  - PzGr 39 APCBC: 151 mm at 0°, 792 m/s
  - Hl.Gr 38B HEAT: 80 mm at 0°, 450 m/s
  - PzGr 40 APCR: 182 mm at 0°, 990 m/s
  - Sprgr. 34 HE: 10 mm, 550 m/s
  - K.Gr.Rot Nb. Smoke: 540 m/s
- Reload type: Manual
  - Reload rate: 7 seconds

Rank III

FN-4RM/62F AB.MI.MO

Armoured car made for the Gendarmerie from the 1960s and used until the 1990s. Armed with a 60 mm gun-mortar.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: FN 4RM 6-cylinder petrol engine
Engine horsepower: 320 hp
Max speed: 110 km/h

Armour:
Front: 10 - 20 mm at various angles
Sides: 10 mm at 0°
Rear: 10 mm at 11°
Roof: 6 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 60 mm FN Brandt CM60A1 gun
- Ammunition type:
  - HEAT-FS (60mmCC) - [254 m/s, penetrates 200mm]
- Reload type: Manual
- Reload rate: 5 seconds
2 x 1 7.62 mm coaxial FN-MAG machine guns

Rank IV

AS 24 [ENTAC]

Now this one is a bit of a meme, it’s basically another FN tricycle but with missiles this time!

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Crew: 2 (gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: Eyes

Powerplant: FN FN 24 2-cylinder engine
Engine horsepower: 15 hp
Max speed: 97 km/h

Armour:
haha, no

Armament:

2 x 1 or 2 ENTAC ATGMs
- Ammunition types:
  - ATGM (ENTAC) [85 m/s, penetrates 650mm]

SIBMAS Scorpion 90 (late)

Rank V

Cobra IFV LAU-97

Another Cobra APC fitted with a LAU-97 MLRS.

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: None
Vision equipment: None

Powerplant: Cummins VT-190 V6 diesel engine
Engine horsepower: 190 hp
Max speed: 80 km/h (5 km/h in water)

Armour:
Welded Steel construction providing protection against HE shell bursts and small arms

Armament:
1 x 1 70 mm LAU-97 Multiple Rocket Launcher

Ammunition storage: 40 Rockets in the launcher
Ammunition types:
- HEGP (FZ71) - [High Explosive General Purpose, 1 kg explosive mass]
- HEAT (FZ49) - [701 m/s, penetrates 350mm]
Reload type: Manual

M41 (Cockerill Mk IV)

M41 Walker Bulldog fitted with a Cockerill Mk IV cannon.

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Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, driver, loader)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: Unknown
Vision equipment: Unknown

Powerplant: Continental AOS-895-3 six-cylinder air-cooled petrol engine
Engine horsepower: 500 hp
Max speed: 72.4 km/h

Armour:
Front: 31.7 mm at 45°
Sides: 25.4 mm at 0°
Rear: 19 mm at 35°
Roof: 19 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm Cockerill Mk IV gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HESH (NR 182) - [792 m/s]
  - HEAT-FS (NR 181) - [1000 m/s, penetrates 400mm]
  - HE (NR 185) - [730 m/s]
- Reload type: Manual

Rank VI

Cobra 25

Light tank prototype fitted with a Cockerill C25 turret

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: None
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal vision

Powerplant: Cummins VT-190 V6 diesel engine
Engine horsepower: 190 hp
Max speed: 80 km/h (5 km/h in water)

Armour:
Welded Steel construction providing protection against HE shell bursts and small arms

Armament:

1 x 1 25 mm Oerlikon KBB autocannon
- Reload type: Belt-fed gun
- Rate of fire: 800 rounds per minute
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine guns

M113A1-B LCTS 90

Cockerill LCTS 90 turret fitted to a Belgian M113A1 hull for testing.

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Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder, laser warning system
Vision equipment: Thermal Vision

Powerplant: Detroit Diesel 6V53T 6-cylinder diesel engine
Engine horsepower: 275 hp
Max speed: 64 km/h (6 km/h in water)

Armour: (Aluminum alloy)
Front: 38 mm at 45°
Sides: 44 mm at 0°
Rear: 38 mm at 10°
Roof: 38 mm

Armament:

1 x 1 90 mm Cockerill Mk 8 gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HESH-IM-T (M691B2) - [712 m/s, 2.2 kg explosive mass]
  - APFSDS-T (M690A1) - [1330 m/s, penetrates 150mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
  - SMK(WP)-T (M618A1) - [709 m/s, smoke round]
- Reload type: Manual
1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun

Sabiex HIFV

Joint project between Belgium and the UAE, heavily modified OF-40 hull fitted with a BMP-3 turret

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Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Unknown

Powerplant: MB 838 CA M500 ten cylinder multi fuel diesel engine
Engine horsepower: 830 hp
Max speed: 65 km/h

Armour:
Unknown

Armament:

1 x 1 100 mm 2A70 gun
- Ammunition types:
  - HE (3OF32) - [250 m/s, 1.69 kg explosive mass]
  - HE (3OF70) - [355 m/s, 2.3 kg explosive mass]
  - ATGM (9M117)
  - ATGM (Tandem) (9M117M1)
1 x 1 30 mm 2A72 coaxial autocannon
1 x 1 7.62 mm PKTM coaxial machine gun

Rank VII

Cockerill i-X

Cockerill’s “first ever ground interceptor”, basically the ultimate cancer-flanker.

Spoiler

Crew: 2 (gunner, driver)
Stabilizer: Two-plane stabilization
Gunner equipment: Laser rangefinder
Vision equipment: Night/Thermal Vision

Powerplant: Unknown
Engine horsepower: 750 hp
Max speed: 200 km/h

Armour:
STANAG 4569 lv. 2, resistant to 7.62mm AP

Armament:

1 x 1 25 mm M242 Bushmaster autocannon
- Ammunition types:
  - APFSDS (M919) [penetrates 51mm at 1000 meters, 60°]
  - APFSDS (M935A2) [penetrates 40mm at 1000 meters, 45°]
- Reload type: Belt-fed gun
- Rate of fire: 500 rounds per minute

And that’s about it!

(Big thanks to @super_cacti for letting me use the vehicle descriptions from the BeNeLux suggestion, make sure to check it out too!)

Now even in the large version, there are still more vehicles i could have used, such as various Cobras, M108s, M109s, Leopards, several Cockerill testbeds and such, but you can discuss them in the comments if you’d like!

Like i said, if the BeNeLux tree or alliance trees in general are denied, i think this would be an ideal addition to bolster French ranks.

Thanks for reading!

Ghostmaxi · February 21, 2024, 9:19am

A subtree shouldnt be a reason to add even more C&P. But the native vehicles are wellcome.

Kingtiez · February 21, 2024, 9:27am

+1, I’m for this being addition to France.

panzerknoef · February 21, 2024, 10:33am

It’s an obvious +1 from me as I want to see some tech of my own country represented in the game. That being said, a subtree is usually meant to fill certain capability gaps in the mother nation and some ideas in the tree in its conventional form don’t fully correspond to that. Obviously the standalone line works (although I’m not 100% on board with the K21 thing, you know this) and with its stabilized vehicles could indeed offer capabilities that domestic French vehicles will struggle with (though they do exist).
I however don’t think the the Cockerill i-X and the SPAA line additions are strictly necessary as France has better domestic options to extend or fill these lines.

The tab tree proposal would be the outcome imo. It allows to add these vehicles without blocking domestic French vehicles, giving both trees the possibility to reach their full potential while simultaneously profiting from the benefits that they bring to each other.

mr_boo · February 21, 2024, 11:35am

I thought i did a decent job getting rid of as many copy paste vehicles as possible, could you tell me which vehicles you are referring to?

mr_boo · February 21, 2024, 11:38am

While France might have other SPAA options, i just wasn’t going to ignore the magnificent Cockerill i-X as it is very unique, hope you understand

Absolutely!

Mahiwew · February 21, 2024, 11:52am

-1, I’d much rather see it as part of a Benelux tech tree.
Alternatively it could work as a sub-tree for an independent Dutch one, but that would be far less desirable.

mr_boo · February 21, 2024, 11:59am

Yeah like i said, personally i’m only suggesting it if alliance trees or the Benelux specifically are denied, that’s why i included “I’d rather have a Benelux tree” in the poll

Zriyutz · February 21, 2024, 12:02pm

It’s nice to see this idea becoming a suggestion. Furthermore Gaijin should consider adding Belgian vehicles to the French tt as premiums, squadron, events in the close future. It could end up being a sub tree or a full BeNeLux tt.

Ghostmaxi · February 21, 2024, 12:05pm

The M24, AEC MK III technicall, the leopards, but i suppose they are modified anyway (and i dont care about modern stuff.)

mr_boo · February 21, 2024, 12:06pm

Sure the M24 and Leopards are slightly modified (Leopards more heavily so) but that still represents a small portion of the suggestion imo

mr_boo · February 21, 2024, 2:04pm

I definitely think they should! It’s pretty disappointing to see 0 Belgian vehicles after almost 12 years of this game

AWACS Ghost Eye · February 21, 2024, 4:29pm

I dislike the concept of BENELUX as a whole, however, good reference.

BITE HARD CUS WE ARE ALL IN SIGHT

Beeschurger · February 21, 2024, 4:47pm

Cobras all look awesome, however i can see few reasons as to why people might not like this proposal

Another TT greyhound while US have theirs as event reward
TT AEC Armored car while brits have theirs as event reward
three leopards 1 similiar to those already in game
By the looks of it, it would be hard to put together a working lineup (not unique to this proposal mind you)

Thomas_Belgium · February 21, 2024, 5:00pm

You first point doesn’t make sense, the Belgian one has more armour plating against aircraft cannons. Even then it wouldn’t make much sense to not include a tank because their native original version is only an event exclusive.
You better read the Leo 1 descriptions again, only one is basically already in game.
This suggestion is a subtree, its nature is that lineups are difficult to form, that’s why they are a sub or are combined with another (like BeNeLux)…

mr_boo · February 21, 2024, 5:03pm

I get what you mean, you can leave out the M8 and AEC without issue but see, the Leopards were the Belgian MBTs during most of its post-war existence as i believe Belgium was the first country to order the Leopard (apart from Germany ofc), and while we do have a Canadian MEXAS Leopard in the game, Belgium was actually the first to experiment with MEXAS armour on their Leopards, sure it doesn’t matter in the game, but it’s a technicality i like to point out.

Also as i am suggesting a sub-tree, there shouldn’t be any problems making lineups along with the main tree (presumably France)

Beeschurger · February 21, 2024, 5:06pm

“Your point of vehicle being copypaste is invalid because this one has exactly one (1) extra armor plate and that makes him entirely different and your point totally moot!”

I did read them, i can assure you.

I mean yeah, im not denying that.

I just dont think the trend of “new tree/subtree ends up with minor modification of vehicle already present in one nation” should continue, because we will eventually end up with Leopard 2 only games.

No issue with that, on the contrary im all for subtree. just voicing my concern.

JamesPond1200 · February 21, 2024, 5:17pm

I like it a lot! Obviously I’d prefer a BeNeLux tree, but this is a perfectly acceptable alternative. Just so you know, the entry for SIBMAS Scorpion 90 (Late) in the premium section is empty. It just has the title and nothing else. Otherwise perfect! +1

Thomas_Belgium · February 21, 2024, 5:19pm

Then I presume you like to use the C&P argument for whole tech trees then? Gaijin certainly won’t be able to literally copy and paste a vehicle from one TT to the other and would have to make additions and other changes to its 3D model (adding armour plates, other SMG’s, tracks in case of tanks, tanker models, etc. This is what we see in the US and USSR tech tree numerous times). This argument raises the question of what exactly constitutes C&P, which obviously means something different for the both of us. I would like to ask of you what your view is on C&P, as I get a negative intonation from your messages so far regarding adding modified versions of base vehicles we already have in game. ex.g. How do you view the addition of the M1A1 AIM or the M1A1 vs the M1A1 SEP? All of these tanks are (slight) modifications, sometimes not even visual ones, (read like C&P to some) of a base model already in game.

I could understand why adding another (1) M8 to a tech tree could upset players that already have such a vehicle, but it’s not like you are forced to unlock this vehicle and this one is even visually different from the event one in the US tree and the Chinese one in the TT.

mr_boo · February 21, 2024, 5:24pm

Oop- missed that, i’ll fix it when i can (p much the same as the early)