You will do because the very top BR’s have no one to play with that is abv them
This is specifically about ground RB for the record and 10.0 has a 75% chance of a 0.7 to 1.0 uptier at least.
A little story from the daily WT madness:
I went into a battle with my Chinese M41A3 on BR 5.0.
As soon as I spawned, the cannon of an allied VK3002 turned in my direction. He immediately left the battle.
My guess … he probably thought I had the American M41A1 with BR 6.3 and thought it was an uptier battle. That was not the case. He had the pleasure of a full downtier … unused.
If he had known that he couldn’t meet an American M41A1 in a VK3002, everything would have been fine.
A good example of how a lack of information can lead to a wrong judgement.
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Mixed feelings on this…i like information and i actually wanted more. Official BR numbers (matches, players, results, nations) would be nice…
BUT…if players quit matches just by looking at one of the friendly tanks…no action, no shots, no deaths…then i can see why they don’t share all of it…
(Not saying i agree…but i see the “why”)
What I’m basically getting at is that some players are travelling with a very negative mindset. They can’t even do much about it.
Our society today is not exactly notorious for encouraging independent thinking.
I heard an interesting presentation yesterday on the subject of neural connections. You have to be incredibly careful because your mind is constantly looking for problems. Things that work are often ignored.
Everyone has their own private list of problems. Even if you solve one, something new immediately follows.
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Thanks. In the post there is an additional image that highlights the nation effect.
Short version, effect is minimal. Many BRs will have an average of 0.6 or so uptier (you get more uptiers than bottom tier).
My conclusion…there are some BRs where uptiers are more probable, you should expect them. if you want to minimize, look for “good” BRs in the table.
(Sidenote: I personally don’t care…i play any BR, whenever very uptiered i avoid using undergunned vehicles and look for what i can kill)
And as i said somewhere above…would like to test a 0.7 BR spread…0.3 is too short IMHO (less variety and possible queue issues).
If everyone started to use information like that, things would change again.
Ultimately the game is too restricted in research to pick and chose your BRs, Gaijin just does a really poor job with vehicle and BRs of vehicles with a complete disregard for balance.
This massive concentration of players at 10.0 and 10.3 is entirely by design
The higher br’s have pretty horrible setups for germany at least.
10.3 Leo2A4 is the last tank before 11.7 next Leo. So when ever german team is playing in a battle of 10.7, 11.0 or 11.3 the entire team is -1.0br. Germany being so popular among players it is not so rarely when 90% of the team play germany. And if it is 11.3 battle it means the 90% of the team is -1.0br.
Like this one. 11.3 battle, we only had 10.3 leos as germany has no tanks between 10.4-11.3. It always ends in complete butchering.
Full uptier-downtier happens all-over War Thunder, but everywhere else you at least got team mates with top tier tanks. Say you play 5.3 germany and it’s a 6.3 battle. Oh crap, but at least the friendly player next to you spawned 6.3 tank so you both fight the enemy. Maybe you can help.
But with 11.3 there are no friendlies with 11.3, 11.0 or 10.7 tanks as germany only has 10.3 tanks, which are the two Leo2A4’s. Entire team is Leo2A4 and -1.0br.
This is just bullcrap, I usually disconnect these ones immediately if I see Leo2A4 being 100SP. Not worth my time.
Dumb question…isn’t Germany paired with OTHER nations with 10.3+ tanks…?
Leopard with sweden is 1 i know of
And its not like one or two is uptier. Its 90% of both my team and enemy team…
You should be used to this.
Gaijin did mention in some post (haven’t searched for it) that only UP TO FOUR players per team have a downtier match (read: they have the BR of the match). Given 16vs16, only 1/4th of players are maximum BR, all others are uptier to some or full extend.
The chance of getting those toptier slots seem to depend on time of day, day of week, nation and BR bracket. It can happen that within 1h of playing, you have 30% toptier matches, the next hour, you literally have none. Just like the weird map selection.
I suspect that Gaijin has some hidden, yet offensive code in their match maker which is responsible for those things in order “to keep games balanced”.
In my suspective experience, you will have about the following BR placings:
50% full uptier → Match BR - 1.0
30% near full uptier → Match BR - 0.7
15% near full downtier → Match BR - 0.3
5% full downtier → Match BR
Yeah, but this cannot be true.
See the picture I posted from one 11.3 game today with my 10.3 germans. The battle was full of Leo2A4’s basically. This confirms there were as many german players as there were Leo2A4’s or Leo2A4 PzBtl123 (which is also 10.3). About 90% of the team I’d say. One tank was CV 9045246, all others german.
We cannot have any full tier players, as germany does not have any tanks in 10.4-11.3.
Only explanation would be that some players have planes in range 10.4-11.3 and hence mark them as higher tier, but that really doesn’t help that much to make a difference.
Then maybe you never seen the highest BR unit as you can not vew players line ups. Do you remember the SP costs ?
Well if my fellow team member has also Leo2A4 in the start of a 11.3 then what other tank could he possibly have? Some U.S tank?? Germany has no tanks 10.4-11.3. No fellow german team member can have some hidden top tier tanks as they don’t exist in 11.3.
What about aircraft. Only needs 1 that 0.3 above
There is a german tank at 11.3, premium leopard 2PL
From 10 years in the game, and thousands of hours in games with SBMM… This game does not have SBMM. You can click on the available players in queue, when queueing to see that it’s not the case.
It’s just a matter of who is available. You are likely going to fight a lot more experienced people because a lot of old school players only like the OG vehicles. Top tier can be a drag, and so people go back to their favorite eras and stay.
The Leopard 2 PL is one of the most common tanks in the high tier German tree and 11.3.
The strategy remains the same throughout all BRs. Shoot through the side.
If I can bring a BR 3-4 tank and get kills against 11.0 and 12.0 tanks, then it’s not THAT crazy at 9/10. You day you immediately DC and that’s a big issue itself.
I’m not a high skill player. I’m not a great player. That being said, I can handle the same matches described without it being crazy. The only thing that’s insane to me is when some BMP blasts the whole teams frontal armor 😂.
Same overall strategy, don’t fight people head on. High BR is only ever really crazy to me in Air BR and SIM. Ground plays about the same from 1.0 to 12.0.
Well, you are right. It is the most common german tank 11.3. It is also the least common german tank 11.3 as it is the only german tank between 10.4-11.6.
That being said, it is very rarely seen in combat. At least looking from my 10.3 Leo2A4’s view ports.
I also was a bit annoyed from 1DL or even 0DL, but now realizing what a shitshow this german 10.3 is I have no problem doing it myself, and surely won’t judge others doing the same. I don’t mind if someone enjoys taking challenges 10.3 leo vs 11.3 MBT’s of whatever nation, it’s just not what I like to do on my spare time. I just get destroyed and lose credits. I have already realized one can grind silver MUCH faster by not playing -1.0br battles.
Looking at the image, you definitely had at least one 11.3 tank on your team. I imagine there was more as the first line tanks and the lower tanks are what was left at the end of the match. Your best player performed about as well as the enemy team. It looks more like you just didn’t have an effective team which happens quite frequently.
They can’t BR skill into people. Not even with decompression 😂
The screenshot actually tells the whole story.
What happens when you have team of 11.3 MBT vs team of 10.3 MBT?
11.3 gets a kill and 10.3 gets experience without kill. Look at the picture, all our players scored experience, most without capping a flag nor destroying tanks nor planes. That means hitting enemy but not penetrating and destroying.
Skill can’t produce more AP. Without AP, you just tend to scratch and get killed.
That is why I skip those battles. Not worth my time.