But you also just clicked a button, there’s nothing smart about it, it’s just spite and sepsis.
We need to remove players such as you that pass that info on.
it’s non-sportsmanlike, and just bad player behaviour.
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I do, because i learned how to play.
I used my knowledge about map positions, weak spots, crew layout, ammo stats, and a gazillion more factors to effectively get kills = i deserve it.
Someone using a plane, and doing NONE of the above does not deserve it.
Are you afraid you will lose some easy kills?
No. Using an unfair mechanic because you can’t learn to play on the other hand is.
You learned to exploit, and passed that on to others… You don’t deserve anything.
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Appearently knowing enemy weak spots is an exploit? Good to know!
You know I’m distinctly talking about your suggestion to avoid giving the kill… You’re bad faith through and through.
Hell, anyone else will just take the death because it’s part of the game, but you whinge and moan about everything being unfair and crap, so much so you find a way to avoid dying through the menu, akin to pulling the network cable to disconnect from a game because it’s not going your way.
Absolute exploit… What a joke you really are.
When you call CAS ‘unfair’ and players ‘undeserving’ of kills because you don’t like the way they are getting you, which is part of the game, and find ways to avoid that because you are that caught up on it not just being a game, that’s where the problem lays… Not with the game, but you.
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Dmage control mode: ON.
Quote the exact line where i said everything is unfair!
So leaving the vehicle is avoiding death. The more you know…
The tank does not magicall despawn then, just saying.
Cry about it.
Just pecause a mechanic is a part of the game, it does not mean it is a good part of it.
It is factually broken and unfair. We can try it out if you want, you vs me. We can see the ratios between a tank vs tank and and tank vs plane scenario :)
If it is ~50:50, then balanced. If it differs from it then it is not.
Imagine if everyone would have this “well it is how it is, you should nto want to change it”…
We would still jump around a bonfire to pray for rainfall…
Instead we hawe all the tech and progress we have.
Damn you’re really hooked up on trying to prove me wrong when you’ve been called out for passing on an exploit…
This, relates to literally nothing… The fact that CAS is part of the game and you dislike it and can’t handle it, doesn’t make it an abused thing… It’s just that YOU can’t handle it…
However, you telling others on how to avoid people getting kills for thier usage of those, because they ‘don’t deserve it’ is totally exploiting…
And it again, comes back to a you issue, nothing more. You decided to be spiteful, and pass that information on, it’s definitely an exploit in the manner that you use it, and suggest it to be used.
That’s the wonder of the server sided mechanics that this game has, and I straight mentioned this because of the network switch that some use in other games to get the upper hand. It wasn’t actually referring to this game.
It’s to illustrate that I’ve got experience in online games and exploits, and remedying those who are afflicted with the thought that this is the way to go to be better.
Well, you are wrong. It has been explained to you many times by multiple people in like 2-3 threads.
You not understanding it is not my problem.
Why don’t you accept my offer? We could easily test that CAS is so easy to counter, but somehow you are dead silent on it. I wounder why…
It is not. Most often i was already shot by other people, so they get the kill, and they deserve it more than the CAS user.
And you decided to be spiteful, and instead of learning to play with tanks, you harass and abuse players that don’t want your planes.
See? It goes both ways.
Of course now you are talking about “other games”. Just strange how you forgot to mention this fairly important detail.
Oooor, you are just in hardcore damage control mode for like the 4th time this day.
So you admit that you are exploiting/exploited in other games. It does not shine a great light at you.
Especially that you are so desperate to make me seem as someone who exploits a game mechanic, when i am actually not.
From wiki:
" In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitch, or use elements of a game system in a manner not intended by the game’s designers, in a way that gives a substantial unfair advantage to players using it."
What i do does not give me a substantial unfair advantage, not even a minor one. Nor does it gives my team a substantial unfair advantage. So it is not an exploit.
Get over it.
Well, I’m not as it’s not a thing to be wrong about… That’s the beauty of understanding and knowing English and how to have a discussion and proposing ideas and opinions…
It’s just you desperately trying to make out that I am wrong for telling you that your negativity and ignorance toward a feature is what drives your upset nature.
It’s not my issue that you can’t get over things, but the reality is that as I said to you, you don’t see coaches telling the team that the game is over and beyond saving, because that isn’t how you encourage change…
Much the same as this constant whinge about how bad planes are for interupting your ignorant tanking.
Still waiting… All I hear is crickets.
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Because that’s not what the game is.
Still waiting for a SENSIBLE answer. What the game IS, is not what it WAS to start with. It got where it IS by people suggesting changes that would benefit the community and make the game better. If we all took your simplistic and blinkered view and never changed anything because “that’s the not what the game is” , the game would never evolve.
In fact, you wouldn’t even HAVE any tanks to pad your stats with given WT started as “Air Only”.
Automatically delete any requests for new vehicles, new weapons, new maps. Heck, new anything. Because the game “is what it is” and we’re not interested in any changes, because nobody else’s opinion matters.
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The ‘sensible’ answer you want is by your perception obviously.
I play the game as it is, I don’t get hooked up on the fact that I get got.
And this, is a dumb assumption… I don’t care about my stats, so people crying that I need to pad my stats or that I NEED CAS to make me ‘good’ is straight up projecting… Fact is you want to avoid planes so you can pad your stats in peace…
Ask Gaijin. Asking another player is not going to get the answer since people are making educated guesses. This is the BIG question issue that would resolve all the requests for new modes. And this thread in particular is asking for no new mode but to alter the current GF with one as a TO in AB and in RB to be “Combined”.
Because no one ever asks Gaijin it is just between players and doesn’t achieve anything positive (see the hassle to eek it out of another player that all they ever did was ask in a random survey, thinking that was a credible way to push any of these ideas forward; does anyone else think this is the correct route? I don’t see it personally and the support for that thought is no response/a response of no to these ideas from Gaijin).
What do you mean by penalties? Everyone is a “Aircraft user” since by actions in game you are awarded with a spot (attack/defend/escort) when the “air wave” happens (3 per team plus the extras from those with successful Scout Kills, from what I recall). It is an integral part (like it or loathe it) of War Thunder GF in AB and I was under no illusion when I started playing the game, so others being perplexed is perplexing! The one “penalty” for using the aircraft is leaving your ground vehicle afk (not everyone is thinking and many might dump theirs in bad places).
The main goal of a battle is to win, well I thought it was and that makes sense, how You get there and how the Team gets there is up to the players combined. If you feel “penalised” then it might be the way you view different aspects of the game (stats? aka personally don’t play for them nor do all, it is nothing more than a niche concept and so much is missing from the charts we have).
Just remember a player up in the air (who you can see and name) now has a ground vehicle completely afk (marked and name showing).
The thing is not all LIKE this concept of a game/mode (GF ones), and I understand that. The next step would be to create a constructive and positive request and put it to the company who can answer ALL these questions.
And here we are, with AB and RB topics, but not one person dares put all this together to make a Suggestion or Query the Mods/Devs. Supposedly asking within a Survey about the game in general is all the attempts to be made (sorry, but that is just idiotic expecting a response from that).
If people TRULY want answers then asking you or I is NOT going to produce anything but arguments/discussion.
So, who is going to do it? I see one very vocal person in RB failing to ask, and another in AB, failing to ask.
This “CAS users” “Tank players” BS and division does NOTHING, especially since the questions are never to the Devs but just a random player. PROOF: No answer since that one Dev stream years ago where they said “No, this does not fit our visions and do not want such a mode” (and the look of disdain on the Devs face as he covered it briefly).
So to move forward I suggest asking the people who can answer the questions and putting this to THEM.
Or just continue like the last 6 years and never ask and just show the want for various TO options is complete BS since NO ONE ACTUALLY TRIES TO MOVE IT FORWARD beyond arguments.
TO modes would be different and allow for differing interactions with the omission of aerial threats, allowing players to focus on the “one dimension of rushing the middle and ignoring the flanks enough to get all maps limited” (yeah, I quit because of that, so just putting that there). I am sure this could be expanded upon, but what I will say that telling Gaijin “I think GFRB/AB currently is rubbish and so I want a differing mode” has not worked and will not work. People can feel these ways but it is not needed in a sales pitch and actually gets Suggestions rejected (from the history of TO in RB).
So best of luck getting answers you and others want (ask Gaijin ffs…)
Best of luck getting this game popular enough so new modes can exist. Sadly I think the grind system in the game (a focus of why people put so much time and money in) is counter productive to allowing for a more diverse set of options for players; in my opinion people forget just how niche these war games are and why there are no real other options, yet there are probably hundreds of candy crush closes, welcome to the industry!
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And yet you completely ignore that fact that the game HAS evolved to what it is by exactly what is happening here. People making suggestions to improve the game or make it appeal to wider audience. The fact that YOU clearly don’t want change, regardless of how many others do, is all that matters to you.
You don’t know if I want the change or not, you ASSUME I don’t because I’m opposing your want…
Yet no one has asked.
The wider audience is actually a niche audience. It is pure guesswork knowing number of players/f2p that might try if new modes were added (and they worked, aka not making huge gaps at BRs due to players spread over COMPETING modes (TOs compete with non TOs, but of course this topic is just keeping RB as is and closing AB off to air)).
These discussions have gone on for years without ANY Suggestions being made. Just remember that.
Almost NO ONE is against TOs being added. Many might not CARE or at least are fine for them to exist or not. NONE of these people are stopping others asking Gaijin or stopping Gaijin from adding new modes.
But then we see any attempt to explain this to be belittled with “CAS MAIN” and the like. The people losing out here are those wanting something different and failing to do ANYTHING about it, and just looks like taking it out on players just playing the game.
Other than Gaijin already responding to the general idea of this type of mode being NO.
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As I understand it Gaijin have said previously that they are not interested in doing it. There are people who have been on here way longer than me who’d have to confirm that for sure. I suppose the reason people keep bringing the issue up is to keep making the point that there is demand for such a mode. You can’t tell me with all the mods on this forum that Gaijin don’t have visibility of the situation and that word doesn’t get back to them. Given the multitude of threads and comments on the CAS issue, what would it hurt GAIJIN to take an OFFICIAL poll to see just how much demand there is? The problem is, with what I understand to be a quite rigid stance against such a change (by Gaijin), I doubt any such poll would ever get the nod.
So again, ASK (not just down to you, we are just chatting),
And MAYBE NOT, to “you can’t tell me the mods”. To think the Devs go through all these topics, and all the thousands of comments, is absurd. That is why we have a SUGGESTIONS section. Or do people think that is just to make the forum look bigger with an extra section?
Yes, they are aware SOME people do not like Air in GF (the entire premise of these modes…), they are aware there is no place for such players, they are aware that we are aware they already said no. Keep doing the same thing has not moved these forward.
So: Someone make a fking Suggestion ffs… If everyone is so conffident in their arguments then putting one forward, and ACCEPTING THE RESPONSE, should be SO DARN EASY!!
I don’t care about anything else like making a poll or sitting and moaning (not you, the general atmosphere), and in fact if you want a poll then MAKE A SUGGESTION (generally, not you personally).
But players talking about TOs always avoid this, as you sort of are, and nothing will change. And people will continue to try and belittle other players for daring to play the game as intended and make TO requestors pad their egos and never get what they say they want.
Gaijin is aware for sure. Devs answered if MORE THAN ONCE on devblogs…and a mod said somewhere that they can’t be replying all the time with the same answer.
The only lingering doubt is HOW MANY players really want it and/or would move to it…there were lots of “answers” and people that were 100% sure of both extreme possibilities…and some more moderate views…
Truth is…nobody knows for sure…even polls gave different results depending on the specific question, moment in time and forum section…results to this question actually showed me that the way the problem is formulated has a visible impact on the responses…
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