Thing is, they aren’t being bad or unfair by spawncamping you, it’s still a skill issue.
If spawncamping is indeed a game breaking feature, which in 99% of games it’s not, despite what some would have us believe. I don’t believe that adding a second spawn somewhere behind the first is the best idea. However, a randomized spawn, or perhaps 3 spawn zones all equidistant to the battle front might work. Add to that removing spawn zones from the map the player sees may help as well. Whatever happens or doesn’t happen, those who spawncamp will find a way, and the red player will still have to dive to avoid them.
Numerous spawns are a good thing to make the choice there, but the awareness cannot be ignored to merely cater to the woefully unaware.
I still want to know how the OP can tell who spawn camps and who doesn’t from looking at their statcard… It’s highly relevant to the path this entire ‘discussion’ has taken…
Mmmh,removing spawn zones for the enemy to see is not a good idea simply because you just need to open your map and see all the enemy indicators and where they spawn. BUT,you could sort of make the spawncampers being unable to see its enemies once it is inside the spawn. Something just like the Air Events in Ground Arcade: If you spawn in an interceptor,you can’t see any markers,ally or enemy. You can still presume if you’re looking at an enemy,but it’s not obvious.
For Air Arcade,it would work the same: can’t ping the enemy, can’t have the lead indicator, can’t even know if that’s an enemy or an allied fighter or even a despawning corpse. But the enemy knows where you are at all times
How much of a moistened paper bag do you need to suckceed?
And yes, I will keep goading you, because your tripe that you put out before was uncalled for, and was just straight you being offended at me and others not sharing your opinion…
Yea, no…
Stop PMing me bub, anything you need to say, can be said here… You can’t front up, so stay out of my PMs.
It’s not harrasment to have you upset that someone is commenting in your thread and you can’t take on board the points made or the viewpoints rendered… That’s just you being bitter and unable to converse.
You didn’t need to assume I was one of those who did this, you didn’t need my profile to form an argument, you didn’t even need to look at the stats to make the unfounded claim that they meant that I did what you didn’t like… All of this shows you had no actual basis of argument or discussion on this in the slightest, all because I didn’t aggree with what you put out.
That’s the only thing i’ll leave here concerning you of why i will not answer any further from your comments
You’re here not to participate in the discussion nor to give meaningful ideas, but to be out of topic by shifting the conversation,hence why i DM’d you to stop any further comments
The invite is still valid: you gave your “idea”,if you don’t have any other ideas to share with the discussion,no one is forcing you to answer every single comment.
Don’t quote rules now… You’ve made vast assumptions and degrading remarks about me based on me merely not aligning with your wanted opinion…
If anything you’ve done that same thing by making out I do what you don’t like because you can’t handle the point made… Same with your want to demand my profile…
I was, you just made it all about everything else…
I’m sorry, but where does my profile, or anyones stat cards and your assumption about how they play come into that engagement?
Because that’s where the true issue lays… You not wanting anything but those favourable opinions that align with your need… If you’re not accepting the point, then there is no discussion.
Your gatekeeping based on that, and threatening me with the moderators, is highlighting of that.
It IS a threat, even though you’re saying that you’re doing it by saying it isn’t a threat… You’ve made a mistake, and you refuse to backtrack it.
My profile has nothing to do with it, and the guys statcard you CANNOT tell how they play just by the statcard.
I didn’t give you my idea, I told you the tried and true tactics that people use to avoid being got when they are being spawncamped, because WE ALL KNOW HOW TO GET OUT OF IT…
You fly out blind and don’t look around when you spawn… That’s the kind of sillliness that gets you killed.
It is not
A threat is saying out of the blue “keep doing this and i will do X”.
You broke the community guidelines, you’re continuing to do so and you put this discussion in jeopardy. Hence,once the limit expires,i will contact a moderator to deal with the comments that are against how i play and the harassment. I’m merely enforcing the law of this forum.
Replays can,guess what i also watched
Then give one,or feel free to leave this topic that was created to have ideas
Those are not tactics but a consequence of an action,as i previously repeated
No…
I told you, there are counters for the spawn camping, communication and dodging, as well as diving are an intricate part to this.
They aren’t ‘consequences’, as the consequence of you being spawn camped is that you die and lose.
I haven’t… I’ve been calling you out over your throwout attacks in the sense of villianizing me for JUST opposing your opinion… You didn’t need to make out that I did what you don’t like, but it makes it easier for you to attack me in the way you have if you do.
Again, if you can’t appreciate another viewpoint, or opinion in your thread, then you aren’t looking for discussion.
And yes, you PMing me telling me you’d go to the mods IS a threat, and telling me to stay out of your thread is just you being upset that you can’t counter my points, without trying to make out I am bad… That’s how dumb this angle is now.
You needing to go and find reasons to dismiss people, isn’t making discussion, it’s just making attacks.
Contradictory to the rest of the rules you throw out as a threat in the latter stages here…
I actually disagree here. It is not a skill issue but a knowledge issue. In order to avoid death by campers, it doesn’t require skill, only knowledge. You need to know they are there and you need to know that you have to push your mouse forward. You don’t need to practice this, it works from the get go. There is no art to this, no immense experience that has to be acquired. It can be transfered by chat. Skill issues take longer to resolve.
Knowledge is skill at a point, and that is where it comes back to a PEBCAK issue xD
“dive” is below that point. QM isn’t.
What’s this supposed to mean? I’m not getting any google hits that even come close to what it could be.
Sorry, quantum mechanics
How to dive is obviously knowledge:
no practice needed for diving.
Situational awareness is another issue, but that is why we call it out in chat. :-)
Knowing to be aware, and what to look for is knowledge.
I think it is good that topics like that are being brought up, maybe ppl will get more educated. Cause this gamestyle is not an ultimate. Even from K/D pov, this works in low-skill lobbies where I happen to see like 5-7 ppl hanging, but I also can see this playstyle ends up with 3 kills 0 deaths, 300pts and a loose. The problem lies not even in fact that he can kill a lot, but if u happen to be in such low skill lobby, the main areas of interest on the map are empty of ur allies, occupied by enemy, but I’ll repeat that’s not always the case, I would say vice a versa.
Main problem is that such players are still getting in this low skill (or just unexperienced) lobbies. I’m playing since 2012 mostly 5.3-6.0, and still observe dudes landing while there are tanks on a field and typing in chat “WTF?” and in the same time there could be single-spawn Italian 109 doing this dirty stuff. But again, if this is a decent lobby, this is a part of game, just a kind of strategy and often there are multiple players on both sides playing like that, and these games are most interesting and challenging, there are multiple areas ppl are fighting for objectives, and even if someone manage to get to others spawn, it guarantees nothing.
Ppl just need to make some conclusions, I can’t believe OP never witnessed this stuff not working in terms of wining a game.