The problem with your assertion is that we have a documented history of people feeling like Russian aircraft held the meta. We also have a documented history of the R-27s performance.
We have videos from the FOX-2 era showing it outperforming everything else.
You got lucky in your sim adventures I guess 🤷. Every match I was in was just MiG-29 and SU-27s. 6-8 on their team and me and 2 other guys. My F-4 stats are literally from me recording a Russian player using R-27s on me while I was on the runway. I let him kill me 40 times in one match - so the radar was so bad he could kill me before I started moving 🤷.
Revision means to change. It doesn’t mean “that’s not how I wanted to see it”. Which is the case here, you didn’t want to see it that way. We made a big enough deal of it here and showed the evidence it was that way.
I’ve said that for awhile. I still think the intent is to make people angry, and then release more documents to win arguments. This game is 100% the type of Psy Ops Russia would commit.
Nah, we don’t need R-77-1, we need Mig-29SMT FM fixed, drag + FM of Su-27 fixed and the model of R-77 need more precise. R-77 in game right now is just a R-60MK on steroid in term of behavior, it yeet the freak out right on launch.
AIM-120 has the least drag, lowest booster stage speed (except AAM-4) and pulls the least Gs (again except AAM-4). It’s the best at long range, but MICA for example is the best at close range. R-77 is somewhere in between AIM-120 and MICA.
R-27ER should’ve been added in this update together with R-77, not 1 year ago. It’s still the fastest missile in the game, it also has IOG + DL like FOX 3s, which allows you to go defensive and not lose your missile. It entered service in 1990 (AIM-120 in 1991).
Russian jets users should be using R-27ER for long range. While not having an ARH seeker, it still holds kinetic advantage, has IOG + DL and is harder to notch. It’s also overall harder to defend against a FOX 1 missile with IOG + DL, than against a FOX 3 that already went active. Once you notch a FOX 3, it’s gone. If you notch a FOX 1 with IOG + DL, the enemy can lock you again if you recommit.
The only thing Russian jets players can complain about is MiG-21’s, MiG-29’s and Su-27’s inaccurate flight models. It should be just fixed for stuff that carry R-77s or don’t carry R-27ERs, but for the others only if their R-27ERs get removed and R-27Rs get fixed, which is a trade Russian mains will not take, they love them ERs too much.
I don’t know for sure, but I can see it being true. From what I know the grid fins were supposed to better at supersonic speeds, but have high drag at transonic and subsonic speeds.
Overall Gaijin really went lazy mode on these FOX 3s, from what I know they either nerfed the R-77, which is AIM-120C5 level or buffed AIM-120A, or both slightly, so it’s not an R-27ER vs AIM-7M situation again. They also nerfed AAM-4, which is also AIM-120C5 level. They should’ve just added AIM-120C5, instead of AIM-120A/B, and keep other missiles accurate.
This game was supposed to have accurate vehicles, balanced by the BR system. Gaijin now uses both the parameters and BRs to balance vehicles, which is in my opinion unacceptable.
Thrust vectoring on R-73 from my experience on the receiving end works very well XD. The IRCCM just works differently, arguably worse overall.
Public research on grid fins indicates they have worse drag until fairly high supersonic speeds(well above Mach 1.5). And R-77 was always going to have worse drag than AIM-120 just to start, because it is physically bigger than AIM-120 but lacks the mass or motor to make up for it.
The current relation between AIM-120 and R-77 is maybe a little too favorable to AIM-120 but in general at low altitudes or high speed AIM-120 should outperform and the various known data points all indicate this. R-77 has very poor range on the deck and only catches up to AIM-120 at high altitudes.
And it still didnt make the Flanker meta. F-16A ended up being better than MiG-29 in the long run. I would not like to play with R-60M (worse than AIM-9L) and R-27R (worse than AIM-7M) on a plane with a worse flight model. R-27ER was added to balance the aircraft.
You lose it when the guy goes defensive after launching his AMRAAM. At best you trade.
You will never make “accurate to real life air combat” how Air RB plays. I will not LARP. I will use my aircraft to its best potential in the meta.
You recommit and eat a 120. Fox-3 has a huge advantage over Fox-1 just due to the seeker. When he gets close, IRCCM missile to your face.
R-27ER was there before Mig got nerfed and F-16 buffed. That’s why it was so damn good, R-27ER for long range, and godlike FM with HMD so it could win any 1v1.
Now Mig’s FM is bad, same for SU but its paired with worst in class weaponkit
MiG-29 should’ve been introduced with R-73 and accurate R-27R, not the nerfed one we have in the game without a sustainer and with high drag. MiG-29 always carried R-73s from the beginning, R-73 was made for new generation jets - MiG-29 and SU-27. Everyone was saying that R-27ER was a mistake back then, made in a panic attack.
MiG-29 was a response to F-16. It’s an F-16C Block 25 equivalent, not an F-16C Block 50 or F-16A Block 10/15 equivalent. HMS was introduced for F-16s in 2006 btw. MiG-29 9-12 should’ve been added with F-16C Block 25, both with R-73s and AIM-9Ms. Both should’ve been put at 12.3, with 11.3s like F-4J/S and MiG-23ML/MLD being moved up to 11.7.
Multipathing should’ve always been realistic too. It’s still too high.
Fixing historical inaccuracies with more historical inaccuracies is simply dumb and makes the game more generic.
I never said using R-27ER will magically make you win every BVR fight.
You also don’t lose it right away, if he goes defensive. You can go defensive too when his missiles goes active, notch it, relock him and finish guiding your R-27ER, which is already almost there. If the range is too short and your R-27ER will fly past him, before you can lock him again, that means you should’ve used R-77.
What logical fallacy would you like today? Slippery slope? Coming right up.
This statement is misleading. It sounds as if the Russians have useless missiles, when it’s not the case. R-73, R-27ER, R-27ET and R-77 are all very much usable at 13.0.