Br changes is Gaijin’s kryptonite. It will take at least another 4 years to reach 16.0.
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based on what?
That’s absolutely the opposite of what is true. Everyone believes queue times will never be an issue, think it as a distant and non-comprehensible concept, and ignore it. Everyone wants to have the benefits of decompression without the drawbacks, like a child only wanting to eat candy. Only a few rational people recognize that it is an issue, unfortunately.
It’s not uncommon for 3-5 minute queue times to occur, especially in less populated servers, less popular BRs, and at less busy times of day. However, you and most others don’t realize this, because inevitably the majority will trend towards popular servers, etc.
You and I both do not have the data on queue times. Gaijin does. What is done for the good of the game is often unrecognized or disagreed with by the players. Of course, Gaijin has been wrong on countless issues, and I don’t speak to defend them generally. For example, their balancing is so terrible that it would be easier to get a better balance outcome by optimization without decompression than decompression without optimization, as we have seen in the recent Ground decompression. Leclerc 12.7 and Abrams 12.0 for reference, or VT-4 at 12.3.
It’s only a few issues on which Gaijin are more reasonable than the players, but this is one of them. It’s obvious that accurate balancing, not decompression, is the way forward.
The only br range I’ve experienced long queue times > 2 min is like the 6.0ish br range. Everything else are almost insta qs every time
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Get real. This is not a real issue.
My average queue time in 2025 is quite literally 5-10 seconds. In fact War Thunder finds me a game quicker than CALL OF DUTY often does with 20x the playerbase.
Re-bumping this thread yet again.
it is now 12.3s’ turn to suffer mega hard due to a certain “not top tier premium”.
Man… Imagine stock grinding or just playing tech tree vehicles in the year of our lord 2025.
The following are general critiques, things not mentioned are not necessarily agreement, but a high likelihood of no complaint.
Rafale should remain the same BR as Typhoon. While it’s the best “deck rat”, however, Typhoon has better flight performance and staying power overall.
Mirage 2000 F5 is more akin to J-10A.
Worse flight performance for a different variety of missiles.
Same exact amount of missiles.
JF-17 is worse than the F-16s. Similar amount of countermeasures, worse loadout options, worse flight performance.
J-16D while it has more countermeasures, is worse engine’d than the F-16C/I. In-fact the F-16AM, and OCU should be the same BR as the ADFs as well.
Gripen Cs are at best slightly better F-16 ADFs. 4x AMRAAMs, 2x IR missiles, while not as limiting as the JF-17 loadout, I feel its dogfight performance doesn’t play a role in most matches.
F-18A/F-14B should be the same BR.
Mig-29 is not the best 12.7 as that goes to F-18s, then F-16AJ is still better than Mig-29.
I think most 13.0s can stay 13.0.
However, there are 11 that need to move up to 13.3.
I feel you get to 15.3, however if the F-18s and F-14B still have too much at 13.0, that’ll show up after the first batch of decompression.
F18C early is too good for 12.7 anyway just look at other 12.7s its a lot better it should be given 9M maybe but the AIM-7P since the the other super strong 13.0s get moved up its should be fine at the BR
the gospel im telling you its got a better radar same missiles and and on par flight model
You did talk about the decompression, which is good. Though you might wanna reconsider some of your points.
If they really decompress AIR RB BRs, your proposal wont start at 12.7. You obviously omitted the worse compression problems in those cold war jets. If you only move up some planes up a BR level simply because they are only “a bit” better, then 12.7 to 14.3 will end up with something like 20.7 to 25, since there will also be some BR changes among those props and early jets.
In addition, BR change is not simply enough, with the current matchmaking meta, jets from nations with fewer players, such as japanese F-2A, F-15JM, swedish gripen, J-10A and Mirage 20005F (I talk about mirage because a lot of people play rafale, but not mirage) are likely to get more downtiers than US and RU jets at the same BR.
In this case, you put J10 and F2A in 15.0 and F16C at 14.3. Though it does make F16C experience better, but I will still choose something like a J10, as I get more downtiers in a J10 than a F16C.
And with the current matchmaking logic, you basically sign up for an slight uptier every match. It does not really make that much difference.
Finally, you put rafale at 16.0, su30sm and typhoons at 15.7. Where you’re gonna put F15E, mirage and F18s? All at 15.3?
Obviously. I did not want to make a proposal to decompress 7.7+, because I decided it would be too time consuming compared to just focusing on 12.7+. It’s also easier to compare vehicle capabilities at top tier than it is around 9.7.
This is a fair point, but I can’t confidently say what MM will be like with this large of a shift.
Yes, except that the F-18s are moving down to 15.0. That area could be decompressed even more, but there isn’t enough vehicles to properly do it.
Actually it’s always the problem of deciding whether should those nimble dogfighters should be put at the same BR with those missile busses or rockets. Meanwhile, player skills vary too much, and there will never be some proper balancing, given that a 4-men squadron can get some crazy win rates even with current BRs.
So it’s always wonderful if you can find one or two wingmans.
Especially nowadays with the addition of su30mk2 and pack spams, most players above 12.7 does not know what they are doing. Quite a few players get killed in the first BVR wave (in most cases, your teammates XD), and either your team or your enemies get wiped out usually in 2 minutes. If you can get a 4-men squadron going, with each one knowing basic notching skills and regular top tier ethics, and manage to stay alive for a little bit longer, you are usually gonna have a good time.
If they reworked AIM-54s, both tomcats would be more higher I guess.
At this point, I would like to see ADF gets AIM-9Ms even if they goes 14.0 for making actual counterpart of F-16D.
Probably you mean ROCAF model but, I would like to see more historical loadouts(AIM-9M, AIM-120C, some A2G stuffs). IMO every MLU valiant should have same BR and same loadouts, except MAWS.
even if maneuverability increased it won’t change the fact they have terrible seekers and always will until aim 54 c+ exists.
I mean maneuverability and drags, rocket motors, etc.
Generally, most ARH missiles has too high drags in the game.
only for high altitude launches. most missiles from what I’ve seen generally overperform at sea level which is much more important for war thunder purposes. now idk about aim 54 cause i never looked into it, but for example r-27er or r771 does
In AIM-54A/C cases, drags should be higher on the deck but, should be MUCH lower at mid to high altitude.
AFAIK, they were designed as lofting aggressively and goes over 100,000ft when you launched from over 50nm but, Gaijin didn’t model correct loft profile and makes it shorter range and slower speed missiles.
Of cause they are not good as Fakour-90s but, should be still too annoying in the game.
so basically its what it should be considering this is how gaijin essentially models all missiles. overperform at sea level and underperform at high altitude, because 90 percent of launches are closer to deck than to 10km altitude
At the least, if they fixed just loft profile, 54s would be better for hitting fighters.
Irl 54s should loft like that
It would be ok if they modeled like old Dirby