Your points simply contradict one another and I’m making that known.
Tell me why on green earth engine or FCS upgrades don’t count?
580hp vs 840hp is an almost 50% increase in engine output!
According to your logic the M26 and M46 are near identical by virtue of “engine upgrades not counting”.
You force criteria into your own narrative rather than looking at the realistic picture. The way you present your arguments are unfair and disingenuous.
For the love of god, please stop adding more countries with copy paste stuff and/or “bit of everything” lineups. There is already a HUGE problem with br compression and balancing and yr literaly like “BUT I WANT MUH YUGO TONK” … Please stop…
Thats just your opinion, doesn’t mean they do though.
Because it’s still the same tank, ok it moves faster, doesn’t change it’s gameplay that massive as you think it will.
You are comparing vehicles from the same tech tree. And even those don’t really play differently.
In this case it’s about not adding mear copy paste vehicles from mayor nations to other trees and call them different because of a different engine.
Game balance is handled by a different department in Gaijin from vehicle and tree additions, so this argument is null.
Still trying to figure out where this “copy paste” narrative comes from after what was shown
Ok, this is like saying, the orange and the orange tree’s branches are not part of the same tree…
Are you trying to be thic or smthing?
Its literally a T55 with extra steps…
So again, Sherman M4A1 and Firefly are the same tank according to your logic?
How about Centurion 1 and Olifant Mk.1B?
Hell, let’s take it even further! T-34 (1941) and T-34-100 are the same too then!
This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read.
M46’s mobility upgrade DOES matter, as well does the new shell options.
M26 has to be played very passively whereas the M46 can be played much, much more aggressively. M46 also has to play less carefully due to it’s HEATFS reliably being able to pen all tanks it faces frontally. M26 does not have this advantage.
Looking at your stats confirms your lack of insight: only 2 games of M46 as opposed to your 31 games of M26.
This argument of yours best shows how you aren’t to be trusted with statements regarding how differently vehicles can play from one-another.
Again, Firefly is a legendary WWII tank. How is this the same as a T55 with a new engine.
Again, same tech tree.
Same tech tree.
Yes, because i got tired of that BR and bought the wolfpack and KVT.
Again: balancing and vehicle additions are handled by different people.
Addition of Yugoslav vehicles would not alter any balancing nor would balancing alter any future additions.
Your metaphor does not work.
And?
“Copy paste this, copy paste that!!!” people really don’t know that there won’t be a lot of original stuff left, do they? Upgrades, especially big ones is sometimes the best they will get.
Given, there is still plenty of unique stuff left, especially in Yugoslavia, but your point is fair.
So we just need to give in to the deathmatch scenario everything against everything ?
Then lets add that unique stuff as a sub tree to another nation which can use it.
I don’t want to say Isreal as there is literally no connection to yugoslavia, but since when did that stop gajin and they could use it.
Yes, and that’s been a thing for some time already. Only a matter of time until yugo vehicles get added, considering there are some yugo stuff in files, even the flag itself.
What the hell is wrong with these people who enter a thread, DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING about the topic, and DO NOT READ any of the conversations - yet somehow feel entitled to give their uneducated take?
And thats completely fine, but concentrate on the unique stuff.
And to you again: reputation doesn’t and shouldn’t matter.
Should we trash the Swedish and Italian trees for not having many “legendary” vehicles?
Alright then, if pedantry is your jig.
M47 (105/55) = identical to M47 to you?
SIDAM-25 is identical to any other M113 to you?
ZTZ-96 is identical to any other T-54 variant?
M4A4 SA-50, Sherman Firefly and M-51 are all identical to M4A1 to you?
How about half the Swedish tree being based off of foreign vehicles? According to your logic it doesn’t matter…
I could go on, but the point is clear.
All the more reason not to trust you with your assessments of the BR range.
Once again, Gaijin has to sometimes “ration” unique vehicles, also yugo tech tree has good amount of unique stuff. Without “copy pasted vehicles”, even when theyre in reality upgraded, are still good additions. Because those “unique” vehicles can run out pretty quickly.
It was a mistake from the beginning giving them so many copy paste vehicles. The whole situation should have been handled differently.
Just stop yapping already, you know exactly what i mean.
Because i totaly have not played other nations in that BR, right.
It is not about copy pasted vehicles. It is about your seeming obsession with “iconic” vehicles.
Tell me how iconic the AUBL/74 is? What about OF-40? Breda 501 isn’t famous either and neither is the M11/39.
The only true iconic aircraft that the Italians currently have in game are the CR.42, possibly G.50 and G.55 variants. In ground it would be the M15/42, Semovente casemates, P40 and Ariete. Nowhere near all the vehicles that the tree has.
How about Sweden? SAAB J-21 wasn’t so known prior to it’s addition in the game. Same goes for their J-22. Their jets are fairly known, sure, but their ground stuff really isn’t. All that was famous was really their Strv-103.
Yet all this doesn’t matter, because regardless of whether the vehicles are iconic and well known or not, they are fun additions and make for interesting gameplay. Who cares that the PVKV-II wasn’t so well known if it is a fun vehicle to play and attracts interest? They aren’t even copy paste, they just aren’t known, yet this does not take away from their qualities.
All other tree proposals should be viewed in this light: what qualities does the presented tree have and how does it compare to countries in game?
In Yugoslavia’s case it is arguably better than Sweden, which is already a popular country among players.
So now you have to resort to trying to silence your opposition after your point is proved flawed? What a joke. Emblematic of someone not wishing to lose an argument in fear of hurting their ego.
Clearly not enough to have a good judgement of the vehicles found there. The differences between M26 and M46, despite not being visually obvious, are major. Such is also the case with those Yugoslav “copy paste” modifications.
But I guess reading and interpreting is just so hard that a single glance at a vehicle is all the base our opinions on now. Even math can’t change your mind…
You are literaly, a broken record mate. You can keep going on and on about your “unique” vehicles but it doesnt change the fact that they are either Russian, American, or some bastardised hybrids with the occational “unique” vehicle seen here and there…
It is ppl like yourself that have quite literaly destroyed what was a kinda historical matchmaker… Maybe you didnt even play war thunder back then lol…
We had the OG nations, Germany, USA, Soviets, Brits with their own legit tech trees and axis vs allies vs soviets maps. Ppl like yourself were like “oh lets add this nation, that nation” and so on. And what did we get? The same vehicles appearing in 3-4 tech trees because they just have to put something there between tiers… Look at italy… a complete abomination. Same thing with China… Yea what a great experience they made for us all…
The simple facts is that yes they will probably add yugo and probably some other bs nations on war thunder, making the balance even worse for a few patches until they try to “balance things out” all the while increasing our suffering… The only thing this nation has to offer for the game is more chaos.