Yes, and that’s been a thing for some time already. Only a matter of time until yugo vehicles get added, considering there are some yugo stuff in files, even the flag itself.
What the hell is wrong with these people who enter a thread, DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING about the topic, and DO NOT READ any of the conversations - yet somehow feel entitled to give their uneducated take?
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And thats completely fine, but concentrate on the unique stuff.
And to you again: reputation doesn’t and shouldn’t matter.
Should we trash the Swedish and Italian trees for not having many “legendary” vehicles?
Alright then, if pedantry is your jig.
M47 (105/55) = identical to M47 to you?
SIDAM-25 is identical to any other M113 to you?
ZTZ-96 is identical to any other T-54 variant?
M4A4 SA-50, Sherman Firefly and M-51 are all identical to M4A1 to you?
How about half the Swedish tree being based off of foreign vehicles? According to your logic it doesn’t matter…
I could go on, but the point is clear.
All the more reason not to trust you with your assessments of the BR range.
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Once again, Gaijin has to sometimes “ration” unique vehicles, also yugo tech tree has good amount of unique stuff. Without “copy pasted vehicles”, even when theyre in reality upgraded, are still good additions. Because those “unique” vehicles can run out pretty quickly.
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It was a mistake from the beginning giving them so many copy paste vehicles. The whole situation should have been handled differently.
Just stop yapping already, you know exactly what i mean.
Because i totaly have not played other nations in that BR, right.
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It is not about copy pasted vehicles. It is about your seeming obsession with “iconic” vehicles.
Tell me how iconic the AUBL/74 is? What about OF-40? Breda 501 isn’t famous either and neither is the M11/39.
The only true iconic aircraft that the Italians currently have in game are the CR.42, possibly G.50 and G.55 variants. In ground it would be the M15/42, Semovente casemates, P40 and Ariete. Nowhere near all the vehicles that the tree has.
How about Sweden? SAAB J-21 wasn’t so known prior to it’s addition in the game. Same goes for their J-22. Their jets are fairly known, sure, but their ground stuff really isn’t. All that was famous was really their Strv-103.
Yet all this doesn’t matter, because regardless of whether the vehicles are iconic and well known or not, they are fun additions and make for interesting gameplay. Who cares that the PVKV-II wasn’t so well known if it is a fun vehicle to play and attracts interest? They aren’t even copy paste, they just aren’t known, yet this does not take away from their qualities.
All other tree proposals should be viewed in this light: what qualities does the presented tree have and how does it compare to countries in game?
In Yugoslavia’s case it is arguably better than Sweden, which is already a popular country among players.
So now you have to resort to trying to silence your opposition after your point is proved flawed? What a joke. Emblematic of someone not wishing to lose an argument in fear of hurting their ego.
Clearly not enough to have a good judgement of the vehicles found there. The differences between M26 and M46, despite not being visually obvious, are major. Such is also the case with those Yugoslav “copy paste” modifications.
But I guess reading and interpreting is just so hard that a single glance at a vehicle is all the base our opinions on now. Even math can’t change your mind…
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You are literaly, a broken record mate. You can keep going on and on about your “unique” vehicles but it doesnt change the fact that they are either Russian, American, or some bastardised hybrids with the occational “unique” vehicle seen here and there…
It is ppl like yourself that have quite literaly destroyed what was a kinda historical matchmaker… Maybe you didnt even play war thunder back then lol…
We had the OG nations, Germany, USA, Soviets, Brits with their own legit tech trees and axis vs allies vs soviets maps. Ppl like yourself were like “oh lets add this nation, that nation” and so on. And what did we get? The same vehicles appearing in 3-4 tech trees because they just have to put something there between tiers… Look at italy… a complete abomination. Same thing with China… Yea what a great experience they made for us all…
The simple facts is that yes they will probably add yugo and probably some other bs nations on war thunder, making the balance even worse for a few patches until they try to “balance things out” all the while increasing our suffering… The only thing this nation has to offer for the game is more chaos.
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How about not adding those nations in the first place and avoid these problems ? Too hard I know…
Thats your way of putting words in my mouth with a very bad example of yours.
All unique vehicles.
Yea, how said, should have been handled diffently from the beginning with those nations, but thats a whole other rabbithole.
But we can at least try to do damage control now.
Same applies to sweden.
No im just tired of explaining something to you, you don’t or can’t understand.
Who cares about M26 and M46, it’s again bad examples brought up by you which has no significance to the topic and they are even in the same tech tree.
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They aren’t “Russian” or American if foreign engineers altered the vehicle for domestic necessities.
Is the SAV m/43 a Czechoslovak vehicle? No. Because despite being bought from the Czechoslovaks, the Swedish engineers incorporated their own ideas into it and made a new product that functions differently from the original.
Same for Sherman Firefly. Is it an American vehicle? No, it isn’t for all the same given reasons.
I have been playing War Thunder for almost a decade now and have 5k more battles than you do…
And I guess that some member of the community gets the blame for Gaijin’s decisions now? Get real.
Indeed, I find the Chinese and Italian additions to be lovely.
Not only do they bring their own unique flavors to the game, but they also make for lineups not before seen.
Regardless of whether a vehicle has been copied over or not, it is a unique experience to play a combination of M18 and IS-2.
This doesn’t mean copy paste should be strived for, but it isn’t inherently an exclusively bad thing and it doesn’t mean that experiences will be identical despite a vehicle being potentially copy pasted.
With this comment you are also doing a disservice to the excellent aviation tree the Italians provide.
And this balance gets worse because of…? You keep complaining about balance yet don’t even specify what you mean.
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Because?
Much like Yugoslavia could provide, despite being lesser known…
You are feeding into my point by admitting that these less famous yet unique vehicles have a place in the game.
And handled differently how?
You’ve barely explained anything, instead you keep sticking to your basic and uninformed points without going into detail why you think the way you do and providing examples.
Your points aren’t sophisticated. If they were we would be having a far more civil conversation here.
They are an excellent example, because it shows how engine modifications DO matter, how the modifications DO alter the vehicle performance despite your claim that they don’t.
That you don’t accept this is revealing of your ignorance.
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Likewise, though I wouldn’t call it kindness xd
The Yugoslav tree concept is something I am quite passionate about, met and some colleagues have made the tree proposals and many of the vehicle proposals on this forum after all.
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Where did i say they don’t ? You are putting words in my mouth that only famous vehicles have a place, i never said that, but it’s a 100% the case for the firefly.
Well, not give them their own techtree. I don’t know how it could be done, but how it’s now it’s not ideal i think most people could agree.
And im not gonna reply to the rest, im over it.
You said that Yugoslav modifications aren’t as good additions compared to something like Sherman Firefly. No words were stuffed in your mouth.
I am simply explaining how I think that is a ridiculous statement.
Not adding Italy and China as independent trees is a terrible solution.
Both are highly capable of having big and independent trees, which we have in good part seen.
Sure, China’s lower and mid tier vehicle additions could’ve been handled better, but it is by no means a bad tree and it keeps improving as time goes on.
I find it telling that you don’t even have a solution of your own. Complaining without productive thought leads to negative responses only.
In that case I hope you take lessons away from this conversation.
There is plenty of work that can be done to your logic.
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What’s the second tank in your post? Looks like a budget T-90M with the armour array.
“it is a unique experience to play a combination of M18 and IS-2” …
You just said everything there is to be said on this thread. I cant argue with that level of “special”…
Im not sure which is more alarming. The fact that you refer to the yugo tree being added to this game as a passion, or that you see making tech tree suggestions as a job and refer to others doing the same as your colleagues…
Hopefully this abomination of a tree will not be added and even if it is added, I’ll be there with my unique vehicles purging that vermin…
You suppose i come up with a solution to complete change the nation iplementation in 10 minutes ?
Jesus christ.
I simply have better things to do than argue the whole day in here, thats all.
It’s T72 upgrade from wish, eh sorry, i mean completely new tank never seen before.
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It is the M-84AS1 (2020) modification.
It has the same 1000hp as other M-84A modifications, but also features new third gen thermal sights for both commander and gunner, RCWS, domestic ERO M19 ERA and various other more minor changes such as new tracks.
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