It´s not me that started this thread… So yea… It´s not only me…
And I know more players that noticed changes at the 109 F4 FM.
So no… It is not just me…
Magic non deteriorating hardware, that’s news to me.
So? My steering wheel felt different after 3 months already.
Never said it was. You win the statement I never made.
However, you argued that because I used mouse joystick I wouldn’t feel changes to the FM which is complete nonsense. I’ve felt FM changes before, like to the J7W1, when using mouse joystick. Your argument is just bad faith trying to ignore the actual proof I’ve brought up.
And your argument has also never changed. I’ve already provided evidence, you haven’t. There is no reason for me to progress beyond that while you fail to provide actual proof.
Agreed. There’s more people that have showed up now, and even some that play sim with dedicated set ups, that agree with me.
You and your hide-mind echo chamber of friends that don’t check things for themselves don’t count.
Yep, 109F4 is the same as always.
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That’s only half of the picture, that’s just data, then there is code that interprets that data, and some changes in that code, can affect differently the planes, depending on that data.
Anyway, for me the difference noticed was from more than a year ago, I had the impresion that I could use WEP for 30s, and now in 5s I’m burned.
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Flew the 109F-4 last night in test flight and it felt absolutely fine to me. Just as agile as it always was and overheats the same roughly. Off memory the 109’s can be temperamental when it comes to heat until you get to the G-6. From then onwards you can rev the granny out of it without any real issues.
Said from an AEC perspective mind.
Its good to see Forum Thunder Epeen fencing is strong as ever
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Nice that you said it…
I was waiting for the respond of that question I asked a friend of mine. He´s a Game developer.
And he said the same thing.
You don´t need to tuch the FM. It´s way easier to change the code around it. And way more stealthy in times of easy access to databases like the ones that are posted her, where “no” changes are found…
So still yes… the 109 F4 has changed.
Just to check:
Sometimes controls break with updates even if your set-up otherwise did not change.
Are you flying with mouse joystick? Are you using Simplified or Standard control set-up?
If using controller, can you double check that your controls are the same?
Edit: Saw later posts, you did mention HOTAS.
Still, BF109s rely on trim fixation for aileron trim (that is, set up in test flight). Also checking: Did you by accident reset it? It can throw off rolls a lot for me to be trimmed wrong.
Hey, thank you for your nice and helpful respond.
No, I use the default trim for the plane. For all the planes I fly. I was thinking about to do a custom trim but I never did it.
But thank you for pointing it out. I wouldn´t had thought about that.
A fiew days before I noticed the issue I described, a mate said, the 109 F4 with gunpods would fly worse than it was before.
I tried it, but I couldn´t “feel” a difference.
I did read all the messages you posted and all I can see you saying is that you feel the FM is changed to worse / similar to 109 G6.
I feel no changes. F4 feels the same as it has been years. And G6 feels the same as it has been years. And personally I prefer my own subjective feeling over yours. Which would mean that FM of 109 F4 has not changed.
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This entire thing has devolved so badly it’s now basically that the entire game has changed but the only plane that actually feels different is the Bf 109 F-4, and when a good amount of people say they feel no difference some random excuse or another is given as to why their opinion doesn’t matter.
Actual delusion.
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I hope you are all feeling better now
I have been at this for quite a now and have individual flight stick setting for most aircraft that I fly, so when they sneeze, or have a little cough . . .I know it
Now I understand you are all hairy chested fighter pilots and a good forum furball is a ton of fun, but all I asked was if anybody felt that the FM had been changed, I did not declare the new world order
Now as far as FMs go, I have seen many strange things over the years in this strange world of war thunder, inexplicable things, FMs changing in game if one got too mouthy, bullets stop hitting , excessive drop, angry bots . . .all great stuff
I think its gaijins little trick to verify behavioral mannerisms
Anyhoo . . .If you feel that FMs are written in stone, just start a player custom battle(not ec) and set the minimum BR to 1, so the bi-planes spawn and let me know what you think of the tier 1 biplane FM and if its the same fm you witness in game
Any way . . .could be I was flying after a long time, or maybe the ping, it was excessively nose heavy and flicky, so I thought I would ask, if everybody is happy with the 109 FM . . .cool . .so am I
Cheers
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Bf.109 F-4 is probably the single most played plane in 1v1 duels. I probably play it on most days that I play the game…which is probably most days of the week.
The things that you are describing…i.e wing stalls in one direction…are something that has always happened.
If you think that the 109F4 flight model is the same/similar to the 109G6 FM…then I would be willing to 1v1 you to show you that it is indeed not the case. The 109F4 is just much better in any kind of turn fight.
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I never compared it to the G6, all I said was that it seemed a bit off, read the original post
All aeroplanes flick, I said seems more flicky
You want to go 1 vs 1 . .sure . .Twisted is my in game name, add me as a friend
when you see me online
Lets hit it
Someone else in the thread might have and I am getting player names mixed up.
I tried to add you but it says you have that ability blocked.
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Ofcourse not, I am a friendly fellow
Twisted . . .case sensitive
I copy pasted the name from the forums and verified that it is the same squadron. I even sent a message.
I will send you a request when i am on line
I was the one who made the comparison of the flight behavior with that of the G6.
But I never said, that the FM´s are same/similar.
I used this comparison because with the F4, just as with the G2/Trop, in a dogfight situation I have to worry relatively little about them suddenly and unexpectedly popping up a snaproll.
The behavior is different with the G6. It’s more like I have to constantly balance it between snap roll and tight turn.
But. I never said, the F4 never stalles… Sure it stalles, it´s an airplane.