I agree, I am just on this because people hate the Yak-38 then call it op
Prehaps a small economy buff. But like all 9s, it needs a decompression, thats all
I don’t think ending an engagement going 100 kmh in the middle of a battlefield is a path to success. Taking a cursory glance, you’re almost exactly 1:1 with it, .7 kills per game.
Again, as I said above, it’s a clunky one trick pony which I feel is fine at 9.3, but even though you’ve “learned the platform” (?) you’re not exactly knocking entire teams out of the sky in it.
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Not really, as you can see in the video, the VTOL only works below certain speeds. Above those speeds, it simply doesn’t deploy and can’t be used in any way.
You are also using it in a Ground RB match, something like this against aircraft it commonly faces (A-10, F-5, Su-25, A-6, etc…) in Air RB is simply not possible due to the mechanics or Air RB nowadays. The video also shows a pure skill issue on the opponent’s side for not going vertical, which means, that you have to rely on an error by the enemy for this Aircraft to be good (Which is true with this goofy ahh plane).
Say it with me now.
“Suffering in an uptier is not a valid reason to let a vehicle stomp in a downtier.”
What do the F-104, F-100, Lightning F.6, and MiG-19 all have in common? They’re all super competitive aircraft that have been shoved out of 9.7 and down to 9.3 where they didn’t belong because they have no flares and poor missiles. But when facing against 9.0s and 8.7s, now more regularly than ever, every single one of them is utterly untouchable. Even the arguably least overwhelming of these, the F-100, still combines the best missiles to appear so far (with the exception of the Yak-38s R60s) with good manuverability, solid guns, and a speed that let’s it escape anything it doesn’t share a BR with. The Lightning and F-104, while more narrow ostensibly worse in general to the other two, are even stonger when facing 9.0s and 8.7s (nevermind 8.3s) since unlike the F-100 which has several decisive advantages that can still be worked around or won’t prevent a mistake from being lethal, trades overall flexibility as an airframe for a crushing advantage in TWR and speed that make them not just strong in a downtier, but instead outright untouchable.
And the MiG-19? Probably the only one of the four that, despite not having flares, despite not having all aspect missiles, despite being a purpose built gunfighter from a meta that has been dead since New Power, is probably the most glaring and blatant example of how bad compression has gotten and the one that should have gone to 9.3 the least.
The Yak-38 rubs shoulders and is stuck in the same position as all of these (except the MiG-19) as aircraft with an ultra specific niche that makes it worthless in an uptier and impossible to counter in a downtier. The F-100 and MiG-19 rely on the flight performance and wearing down opponents, the F-104 and Lightning rely on pure speed, the Yak-38 flies high and fast, descending only to take advantage of a missile whose only weakness is relatively short range and being flare hungry in a BR range where a grand total of one vehicle (though several vatiants admittedly) actuallh has flares.
Only solution to compression depression is to put the BR range up to 13.0 (which it should have been at 2 years ago, closer to 15.0 or even 16.0 now) and then uptier everything as you go along. I hope OP is just as willing to say “The Yak-38 fits fine in battle rating of 9.7” if and when that time rolls around. Maybe the all aspect missiles will be shoved up to 10.7 or higher where they can stop seeing flareless vehicles altogether.
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I think it is fine at 9.3, I am just arguing with the people who think it is OP.
It requires very little brain activity to actually come to that conclusion when you’re here suggesting that Me262s, R2Y2s, Meteors, Panthers, Vampires, Mystere IIs, should go toe to toe with R60s.
Yak38 may not turn well, but it will absolutely 100% take a fat dunk on 8.0s just like it does on 8.3.
Being poor in an uptier is not a good reason to have it bully everyone in a downtier.
And you can bet your ass that every 8.0-9.0 game would have Yak38s when it would sit on 9.0, just like every 8.3-9.3 has F104s.
Do I need to remind you that there is not a single plane at 9.0 which can actually catch a Yak38? It would just run rampage. Not being able to turn doesn’t matter a single thing when you can just put your plane in a straight line and fly away. Not to mention you will outclimb every single thing at 9.0 as well. So you can just missile bomb the entire enemy team, and wait, there will be 4 Yak38s in a 8.0-9.0 game.
Amazing logic dude. Should nominate you for a nobel price in game design.
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I find success in it constantly because that isnt how the real world works. Fights can easily be made to be a simple 1v1 in war thunder. It is not difficult.
Statcards don’t matter. Don’t know why you bothered to bring it up.
Plane does fine. Doesn’t need a buff. Would be EXTREMELY toxic to downtier. If anything should be removed from the game as it causes more trouble than its worth.
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Well, if it is removed completely, I best be getting my money back.
i see your point
since those aircraft were put to 9.3 in new power (if i remember correctly), i assumed yak 38 is supposed to be equal to them.
when i said it fits fine in 9.0 i meant it is more fair for yak 38 to be considered as equal to those (most of at least).
but here’s the catch, its not poor in uptier, but in its own same tier already.
The aircraft I listed have gone down relatively recently (the earliest is the Lightning which was put down a bit over a year ago now) and well after New Power. I can concede that Yak-38 can prove itself to be fodder more often than not. It’s relatively slow, it’s fat as hell, etc. but with 4x R-60 it’s niche as a 9.3 vehicle, however hyper specific and brutally punishing when deviated from, does exist and allows it to consistently outperform 9.0s when strictly and competently flown.
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fair, but doesnt the same go for nearly all 9.3 aircraft when going up against yak 38?
also, tehnically the same argument should hold true for F-104 at its current br - consistently outpreforming other 9.3 aircraft when properly flown
Yes, which is why none of them should really be 9.3 in the first place and should go back to 9.7 where they belong. As for the F-104 specifically, the story is more complex as while it can out fly any other 9.3 which should keep it at 9.7, speed alone it not always enough to win matches and it completely capitulates to any that has a missile better than a 9B and isn’t a brick (read as mid life MiG-21s, Harriers, and anything with a Magic 1 strapped to it).
Doesn’t change the fact that the Yak38 should never face 8.3, let alone 8.0.
when in this conversation did i say it should? it is merely a compression issue, my point is that yak 38 is more comparable to 9.0 aircraft than 9.3
you know that F-104 will outturn yak 38 in a turnfight + it can pull more when having to lead guns, right?
Yes when you take away it’s 4 R60s and give it 2 R3S’ instead.
do you even have yak 38?