r60m’s and flares at 9.7
You know what happened with the SU-25, right? Noone liked facing that in a flareless subsonic.
i mean yes, but Su-25 has all aspect R-60M, is much more maneurable and has flares
oh, you were replying to other guy, i agree with you
IMO, T-2, G91Y/YS, and F-5C are all fine BRs.
However, they’re all shafted by other things that are compressed.
And they also shaft some aircraft, but not all.
A G91 can one circle an F-5C.
But an F-104 will never dogfight. Mig-21MFs will always dogfight, but making sure you’re aware so they can’t launch R-60 is difficult.
@mz_14_Gelzooz With R-60Ms and a mythical flare pod, it’d be 10.3 - 10.7. Don’t believe me? Sea Harrier.
It shouldn’t be able to face stuff like that at all, not just in full downtiers “only”. And no you can definitely kill 9.3-10.0 jets very easily, you just can’t dogfight them.
And no, stop trying to justify fighting a 262 with 30g all aspect missiles.
this is compression’s issue, it should neither face F8U at all, but it does
and here comes proof that you have no clue what you are talking about, yak 38 has no all aspect missiles at all, R-60 are rear aspect only
Right, so since you’re aware its a compression issue, you’re also aware you can’t downtier it because that simply makes compression worse.
I said all aspect because I’m a bit inebriated, it doesn’t matter. You can’t justify facing Me-262s with 30g missiles in any aspect.
thats what we are arguing here, sure it makes compression worse, but should br be decompressed, would yak 38 fit into 9.0?
No? I just told you? Just now?
You realize its a matter of compression so the ONLY solution is to decompress the game around that region of the matchmaker, which DOES NOT include massively undertiering the jet with 4x R-60s to 9.0.
you misunderstood what i said - propose that instead of +/- 1.0 up/downtiers we only have +/- 0.7 br diffrence
I don’t think that changes much when MiG-19 is 9.3 only 0.3br above MiG-17 which itself is only 0.3br above MiG-15. They need to decompress
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i agree, but we are talking of single aircraft here
of which I do not understand the relevance of
Considering that extremely poor flight experience of the yak38, I don’t think it should rise to that height. Comparing the performance of the yak38 and the Harrier alone, the acceleration ability and maneuverability of the yak38 are worse than the Harrier, and the R60M is also worse than the AIM9L, so I think it is reasonable that the yak38+2×R60M+FARE are at 9.7/10.0
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Harrier GR7 is 9.7 without all aspects.
Harrier with aim-9Ls are at 10.7+
Harrier at the same BR of the Yak38 either have SRAAM (with no CMs) or 9Gs (with CMs)
Yak-38 with that loadout is 10.7 ish
You mean having same BR with old top tier jets?
If Yak-38 lost AAMs then, it is possible but no idea tbh because its top speed is still faster than Hunter F.1
i already agree with you about decompressing, we are just debating about single aircraft here
well, whatever, situation will change much should game be demoplressed so i guess there is no point in arguing
Skill issue, use the thrust vectoring
it is unable to outrun most other 9.3 aircraft it faces, though
It got pulled into 8.7 matches a lot, you’d meet more dog ass overtiered sabre.
Conclusion? massive skill issue, buy MiG-23ML and shut up.
As someone who owns the Yak-38 and just got the F-104G, the F-104 is better in ALL aspects when it come to flight performance.
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The thrust vectoring is uncontrollable.
Conclusion? Stop putting your opinions in stuff in which your opinion is not needed, cope and shut up.
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