Respectfully, the Ariete absolutely does not deserve 9.7.
While it is absolutely very good at dogfighting, it is ONLY very good at dogfighting. With my experience in the Ariete is very easy to avoid if you just stay away from it and make passes on it. You move the Ariete to 9.7 you make it unplayable in both air and ground.
TL:DR: Ariete doesn’t need to go up since you can just avoid it
By that principle, the A-10 shouldn’t be at 10.0 too, since you can just stay outside of 3 kilometers from it very easily and avoid it.
Of course, this is not what you’re trying to say, but the problem with the ariete is that even if you want to avoid it, it can eventually third-party you if you don’t keep an eye on it, and every boom-and-zoomer can only wish that the ariete is unaware of their surroundings for them to land a hit.
I agree that it shouldn’t be 9.7 (at the BR range’s current state), but it is definitely too good for 9.3.
Ultimately I think it just comes down to the pretty extreme compression that we have from 8.3-10.3. The Ariete is gonna be difficult to balance no matter where you put it. Put it at 9.7 and It’s completely unplayable, keep it at 9.3 and it’ll seal club in downtiers just like the F-100, F-104, MiG-19, etc etc.
Honestly if the snail didn’t make the mistake of adding high-performance missiles at 10.0/3 we wouldn’t have this issue.
Ultimately the AMX, A-10s, Su-25s, all need to go to at least 10.7 or preferably 11.0. I love the AMX, it’s a fun plane, but having 2 “I win” buttons against flareless jets is not fair for them, and I certainly don’t enjoy eating shit to AIM-9Ls in F-104As either.
Precisely, this wouldn’t be a problem without the high-performance missiles.
I haven’t played the Ariete. However, I have played the MiG-19, which absolutely deserves 9.7. 20G rear-aspect missiles exist because they are necessary to deal with an airframe which has so much flight performance. Planes like the Hunter F58 and AV-8 are helpless to cope with a MiG-19 without their missiles, so moving up the MiG-19 makes total sense.
My reasoning for uptiering the Ariete is that it extends the same Me 163 no-fun zone effect where if you can’t outrun it, you are dead. If the dude knows how to dodge, you have to dogpile an Ariete with about three people before you have a good chance of killing it with guns.
Anyway back on topic… if people can justify Ariete at 9.3, then there’s no way the Yak-38 ought to get uptiered when the Ariete is a far more uptier proof plane.
I would disagree.
Full uptiers in the Ariete can be pretty miserable if people decide to focus you hard.
The second they decide to avoid dogfighting you and just try to missile with an AIM-9J you’re kinda boned.
Also MiG-21F-13/J-7II and EEL as well.
Honestly the 21F-13 can stay where it is.
2 R-3S (K-13) and a gun with 60 rounds is fine at 9.3
what the hell
B-But 16v16 is a bad!!1!
I’m almost more alarmed that 13 people on your team died and only 7 of those were attributed to the enemy. Rocky Pillars must be eating good.
That simply how it goes in the 9.7-10.3 BR range… Sometimes it feels like you’re playing with 10 year olds that have barely touched a keyboard, let alone gotten into a game like this in a BR range like this
Indeed. Well done sir. Have you seen that there is a dedicated thread for aircraft high scores records?
We should get back on topic.
I have not. Is there?
What topic? There hasn’t been a topic for a solid 6-7 days
You submit your screenshots of the scoreboard and show what plane you are in. If you need to go back in the replay you can do that, since you can access the scoreboard during replays (just fast forward to end of game and screenshot the scoreboard showing what vehicle you were in). Squadded games are not admissible unless the game randomly paired you with a teammate.
Threads are for a topic, and an interval of a week isn’t enough to count as a necro. If no one is interested in discussing the Yak-38, then we should let the thread lie.
And that topic is never set once past the initial conversation. This thread has hundreds of messages, and that has since moved onto other vehicles of similar BR. I’ve added my two cents on the topic, where is the issue?
I would like to see the Yak 38 get some mercy, but my experience tells me that almost every plane from 8.3-10.3 is squeezed by BR compression brutally. Just moving the Yak’s BR will only change which planes are undeservedly strong and which are not. We need more room in the battle rating system in the 9.0 area to really solve the problem.
I think it would be fair to move the Yak-38 down to 9.0 in ground RB once gaijin finally releases the patch that will allow aircraft to have different BRs in ground and air battles. The only real problem around this BR is that some planes completely lack countermeasures. For the air-centric mode, I think that’s grounds for uptiering planes based upon the quality of their Fox-2’s alone. However that concern holds less weight in the ground centric mode.
I can fairly easily dodge Aim-9Js with the Ariete. As long as you immediately go front-aspect with the missile, it will no longer be able to track you, which has saved me countless of times. If you think you don’t have the distance or speed to do this, you can always fake a head-on to any jet with 20G+ rear-aspect missiles. R-60s are a bit more difficult, as they turn more, but they have a shorter range.
If they are smart, they should just wait for you to be distracted (if you aren’t that self-aware of your surroundings), or wait for you to get slow (like around 500km/h). But that’s assuming they are able to third-party you.
You can even dodge Aim-9Ls from A-10s such that you are at 800km/h and much higher than the A-10. Even at 2.5km~ the Aim-9L doesn’t have enough energy to reach you from that high and turn with you because of your speed.
You can easily bait the A-10 pilot to launch all their Aim-9Ls and they are then defenseless against you.
Even if they do have Aim-9Ls, if they aren’t aware enough, you can slot in behind them and they can’t really do anything about it.
Along with this, the flight performance of 10.3 fighters, like the F-5C, are very good until they get slow, which then the Ariete is just much better. This is why I sometimes even prefer fighting at 10.3 than 8.3.
