the yak is fine where it is, even if the f104 is better youre comparing it to the most busted plane in that br, it is comparable to the others 9.3.
I played it, it does its trick well enough to easily collect kills with no room to counter it in downtiers. It fits 9.3 and after decompression it should go up.
This skill issue thread should have stayed dead.
Respectfully, in 523 games you’re averaging 1 kill a game with a 1.3 kill to death ratio. I’m assuming this may be a blend of 9.7 and 9.3 matches?
My faithful controller and I are not far off at 1.4 a game / 2 kills to death. I only started playing it at 9.3.
To me, that feels like it’s the epitome of properly tiered.
The only reason you think this is because you have been conditioned by gaijin to be very unaware of how shit the game actually is nowadays. When the Yak-38/harriers were introduced they were just farming people because the matchmaker was entirely different with much more decompression than what we currently have.
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It’s only “properly tiered” in the insanely compressed/broken matchmaker that WT currently has.
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I miss SRAAMs before they added All-aspect missiles and CMs were rarer at that BR. I also remember slapping Viggens and Mig23s in the Harrier Gr1 in SB all day long, it was a blast. Now they are just sad to use
I started playing it back when it was 9.7 with 2xR60s and it was my 6th jet of that rank. I remember being below 1KD for a good while. I was and still am using it for ground RB where air kills are scarce. You can believe it or not thats fair.
But apologies I see now we did not understood each other since Im also thinking this plane is currently well placed. Thought you were advocating otherwise.
I am perfectly aware of how much 9.3 sucks. However, the Yak-38 is the least offender of its BR. Plenty of other jets need to go up before it does.
F-104A, MiG-19, Ariete, and Ayit all deserve 9.7 BR ASAP. Once those planes get an uptier we can look at how the Yak-38 performs, but right now we have 4 planes that are hitting above their weight and ruining the matchmaker for everyone who has to fight them.
People were also much less used to dealing with missiles than they are now. At that time the MiG-23M hadn’t even dropped yet, which meant that the highest pulling missile in the game was the R60 at 30G with no all-aspect. Players were used to the Aim-9J with 20, and the naval 18G sidewinders that could be easily dodged because their leading algorithms were not working as intended.
I doubt the Yak-38 will be a big issue at 9.3 even if the other problem vehicles are uptiered.
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100% agree.
However, I don’t believe they are worthy of 9.7, nor do I believe they are worthy of 9.3. The Ariete and MiG-19 are good examples of fighters with excellent flight performance, but can easily be dealt with by 20g+ missiles from a third party. Similarly, the F-104A is the fastest jet at the BR, but as soon as they try boom and zooming an experienced player with 20g+ missiles, they too can just launch them while the F-104 tries to run away.
The A-4N is a very good CAS plane, and has pretty decent flight performance (for such a CAS jet) with Aim-9Ds and Shafrir 2s, and flares, but again, it struggles to cope with 10.3 aircraft already (unlike with experienced MiG-19 and Ariete pilots), so putting it at 9.7 will only make it face more of them more often.
Respectfully, the Ariete absolutely does not deserve 9.7.
While it is absolutely very good at dogfighting, it is ONLY very good at dogfighting. With my experience in the Ariete is very easy to avoid if you just stay away from it and make passes on it. You move the Ariete to 9.7 you make it unplayable in both air and ground.
TL:DR: Ariete doesn’t need to go up since you can just avoid it
By that principle, the A-10 shouldn’t be at 10.0 too, since you can just stay outside of 3 kilometers from it very easily and avoid it.
Of course, this is not what you’re trying to say, but the problem with the ariete is that even if you want to avoid it, it can eventually third-party you if you don’t keep an eye on it, and every boom-and-zoomer can only wish that the ariete is unaware of their surroundings for them to land a hit.
I agree that it shouldn’t be 9.7 (at the BR range’s current state), but it is definitely too good for 9.3.
Ultimately I think it just comes down to the pretty extreme compression that we have from 8.3-10.3. The Ariete is gonna be difficult to balance no matter where you put it. Put it at 9.7 and It’s completely unplayable, keep it at 9.3 and it’ll seal club in downtiers just like the F-100, F-104, MiG-19, etc etc.
Honestly if the snail didn’t make the mistake of adding high-performance missiles at 10.0/3 we wouldn’t have this issue.
Ultimately the AMX, A-10s, Su-25s, all need to go to at least 10.7 or preferably 11.0. I love the AMX, it’s a fun plane, but having 2 “I win” buttons against flareless jets is not fair for them, and I certainly don’t enjoy eating shit to AIM-9Ls in F-104As either.
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Precisely, this wouldn’t be a problem without the high-performance missiles.
I haven’t played the Ariete. However, I have played the MiG-19, which absolutely deserves 9.7. 20G rear-aspect missiles exist because they are necessary to deal with an airframe which has so much flight performance. Planes like the Hunter F58 and AV-8 are helpless to cope with a MiG-19 without their missiles, so moving up the MiG-19 makes total sense.
My reasoning for uptiering the Ariete is that it extends the same Me 163 no-fun zone effect where if you can’t outrun it, you are dead. If the dude knows how to dodge, you have to dogpile an Ariete with about three people before you have a good chance of killing it with guns.
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Anyway back on topic… if people can justify Ariete at 9.3, then there’s no way the Yak-38 ought to get uptiered when the Ariete is a far more uptier proof plane.
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I would disagree.
Full uptiers in the Ariete can be pretty miserable if people decide to focus you hard.
The second they decide to avoid dogfighting you and just try to missile with an AIM-9J you’re kinda boned.
Also MiG-21F-13/J-7II and EEL as well.
Honestly the 21F-13 can stay where it is.
2 R-3S (K-13) and a gun with 60 rounds is fine at 9.3
what the hell
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