Yeah. Same with buddy lasing or MUMT. WT “team mates” are usually very retarded.
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Just look this up and it looks super strong, sadly a full barrage (btw one ship can launch 56) of Mark 5 tomahawks would out range it by a measly 1450 nautical miles (based of the information I found). And if somehow it does get in the range to launch it there are many devices on a US navy vessel to deal with it before it hit the ship, so I don’t think it’ll be a big problem.
For this part i’m going to assume you are taking about the more advance R-37M variant
Yes…… but you can’t kill something you don’t know is there, as of now the main russian radar on the Su-33 can not reliably pick up the f-22 at a range that would give the R-37M an advantage. By the time your radar would detect be able to detect the f-22, it could and would already have a Aim-120D or (if it gets put on the airframe) Aim-174 pitbulling on your flanker.
I really could not find any good information about this shell but based off what I found off of reddit and some websites it was a gps guided shell. Kinda like the M982 Excalibur which can be launched form the M106A6 Paladin which is 150mm.
Just a couple cool facts to leave off on that you can counter argument kinda like what I did
The F15EX can carry 20 Aim-120D’s
The F-18’s radar can detect a Su-57 easily due to its size
The new Harpoon anti radiation missile has about 300km of range
F-18 super hornets radar is stronger than most if not all russian aircraft radars
The Aim-9X can pull 60g’s
The DU armor used during the first gulf war was not penetrated once.
Oh and one last think
Spoiler
The F-22’s maiden flight was in August of 1997, so if we were stuck in 1995 we could theoretically have a F-22 and if you say introduced into service in 2005 here are some things in game that were around the same time or later (btw i’m not including things like the F-15C’s HMD because if I named all things with those caveats I would run out of space)
The Su25SM3 entered service in 2017
The Su27SM entered service in 2003
The Pantsir-S1 entered service in 2017 as well
These are only Russian examples but it is weird how they are pretty recent and still in game
I have no hate against you or anyone who disagrees with me, but I have a shit ton of information about the US military and I like to get my point across.
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VA-111 is torpedo, not a cruise missile. Russia has those too.
And you are assuming US will get F-22 and Russia Su-33 (even though Su-33 was introduced much earlier than F-22). Even R-37 on Mig-25 or Mig-31 (which are more likely to be included in the game due to year of service) pose a serious threat.
Not really. This is from Locheed Martin page and there it says 1997.:
You still have the Vista Saber II & VTAS III HMD / HMS prototypes for the F-15C & -15A respectively which were trialed, so there is some wiggle room as to what is actually mounted.
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Sorry that one was a misunderstanding on my part I got the time the program was started and the maiden flight mixed up.
I’m not assuming that i’m only referring to when you replied to me saying “There is no competition IRL” with “The R-37 might speak a different story”
Yes but it is an anti ship weapon, also like the harpoon which outrages it as well and be LRASM. The usa navy didn’t need to adopt a super fast torpedo when it already had things better. I’m not educated on Russian equipment beside a decent amount about jets and air defense, but if there is anything they have like the LRASM Tomahawk, and HARPOON I would love to hear more.
That is cool but it says that the shell can not change its flight path only the time it detonates. Which would make strong irl but not in game.
Btw I love this civilized discussion we are having, this is rare to see on forums and it is fun to learn about other nations
Again I will post the things that I think would be very dominant in game for the USA it does not have to be you to respond but anyone who thinks they have an effective counter or defensive against them
The F15EX can carry 20 Aim-120D’s
The F-18’s radar can detect a Su-57 easily due to its size
The new Harpoon anti radiation missile has about 300km of range
F-18 super hornets radar is stronger than most if not all russian aircraft radars
The Aim-9X can pull 60g’s
The DU armor used during the first gulf war was not penetrated once.
You were assuming because you assumed I was talking about R-37M while I was talking about R-37 in its own time period.
Yes its anti ship weapon and there is naval part of the game in which part of the game torpedos are already implemented. So whatever torpedo US gets it would be weaker than this one.
Actually it will be other way around. It would be strong in the game due to much smaller battlefields and probably not so strong IRL as computer automatically calculates detonation time according to previous detonations.
“the self-propelled vehicle will be able to build “a vertical wall” from detonations for neutralizing, for instance, aerial threats”
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Well you see my friend you’re comparing 4th gen fighter to a 5th gen one i dont know what are you expecting and also you can just get low until you get close enough and look here my friend stealth doesn’t make you invisible on a radar it reduces the Range in which radar can achieve a weapon grade lock
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Yeah however my friend you also forget that Iraq really didn’t have any kind of good round like there is proof that some of them were carrying practice ammunition and Abrams performance during the Gulf War is overblown just because they were fighting the t72 from 70s
I think where your confusion came was cause of the YF-22
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Because the production team cannot accept the fact that the United States is ahead of Russia or the Soviet Union in guided missiles, aircraft, and radar, it should be said that they cannot accept the fact that any country is ahead of the Soviet Union
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No. They know it. Which is why 99% of NATO equipment is limited to 1990s or earlier or heavily artificially nerfed, like BOL is.
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But it did not restore his rightful weight level and combat ability. He has a high rating, and 11.7 has no combat significance at all,it has no comparative value at all
Ignoring the blatant copium yes US is ahead of Russia however it’s not at the point where the Russia cannot fight back effectively However there is still Aspects in which Russia outperform US
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No offence, and I really dont want this to get political. But a certain conflict, in a certain eastern nation, has shone some… doubts… on that statement. And much of the equipment provided by western nations to date has been… reserve, older equipment and only recently, more modern equipment.
I think the Soviet Union was on par with the west. I dont think the Russian Federation has done much in the past 30 years to maintain that position.
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I don’t want to get political either however let’s be realistic for a second 90% of the people that reference the current conflict hyper criticise Russian equipment with some valid reasons and then just glands over the NATO equipment performing the same or the wors As an example first deployment of t-90m in this conflict everybody was reposting once it’s got destroyed and then you have first deployment of Abrams which They Lost 3 or 4 in one battle in less than an hour people were most ignoring it or coping that oh it’s old equipment. All I want to say is I’m not saying that US equipment is bad or the Russian is better I’m just saying the difference between them is really not drastic as people think
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And by the way all of the Abrams as stated by US Secretary of Defence were upgraded to A2 standard before they got donated Andy armour upgrade is specific to Ukraine so we don’t know if it’s better or not
But I think its more than just equipment, there are certainly exception like the CR2s lost did not have Dorchester, so I take that with a pinch of salt in an actual conflict, but you have things like Russian vehicles running out of fuel and ammo, infantry running out of food, reliance on things like smart phones for navigation, outdated infantry weapons, Tyres bursting, poor tactics and training, multiple friendly fire instances with Russian AA shooting down Russian aircraft, the black sea fleet…
Russian equipment ‘might’ not be massively behind western nations (at least at the moment) but I think the Russian military is.
Again some valid points here however we’re talking about the vehicles performing in game not how Russian military is performing in real life Real life is real life game is game
Well… even talking about factory perfect vs factory perfect. There are WAY too many Bug reports for NATO tanks. About 30-50 for the Challenger 2 armour alone and plenty of evidence to suggest that Soviet ERA is notably over-performing.
You also have things not modeled like the fact many NATO shells are designed to counter Russian ERA by having a tip that perforates the ERA packets. This is not modeled in game. Additionally, tanks like the top tier Abrams has a shell from the 1990s rather than its correct shell from when it entered service because “the soviets dont have an equivalent”
When you look at other aspects of equipment as well, like the ADATS being the best Britain and US can be given, despite much better options being available, or looking at the Apaches which are limited to an AGM from the 1980s (iirc) instead of the more modern versions with both longer range, mmV seekers and FnF ability.
Even things like the fact that most NATO nations are rather limited on what targetting pods they get. Heck Britains TIALD IRL was Gen 2 by Gaijin standards, its modeled as Gen 1, that is a year old report.
BOL pods on many aircraft like the Gripen was Artificially nerfed to be less than 1/4 IRL Strength and is ommitted from many aircraft altogether like the F-15C and Tornado IDS.
I think its quite clear to see many NATO nations have some pretty major handicaps/restrictions to limit their strength in-game, but something like the T-80BVM is as strong as it possibly could be, if im not mistaken, and things like the Pantsir also has no restrictions on what it can do vs IRL, despite being by far the best SPAA in game.
Heck, the KA-52 pretty much single handedly killed any hope for a Heli PvP gamemode because of how overtuned it was and its not even like the NATO nations dont have equal equipment, it just wasnt modeled.
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This is factually incorrect the M1s that were sent are m1a1SAs with the FMS export armor package. Originally they wanted to send m1a2s but decided not to.
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