I agree that the Soviet era is over performing but it’s only in some aspects
Yep, and in contrast someone did the math, the ERA on the side of the challenger 2 TES, would be unable to stop an RPG with how its modeled in game. That is how weak it is and Gaijin refuses to fix it.
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Well Russians also don’t have their top tier shell To my knowledge most of the apfsds rounds that NATO does have with the tip that the negates Russian era are the shells that we don’t have in game
Not sure what the goal of this thread is.
Yea, shocking the nation with the highest military spending in the world, by far, has they best technologie.
Should gajin just implement this into the game so US players can one click destroy everything in unrealistic combat scenarios like in war thunder ?
It’s a game, every nation wants to have fun.
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You should try to play 10 matches of US top tier grb and tell me if it’s fun.
From what I know pencir is slightly restricted at least when it comes to the radar performance however also the Russian tanks again I’m a t72 main T90 m does not have its full armor package which is not to say that it would change by much but there is a few things to note like lack of turret side bag era and nakitka termal cover
I also play UK and Israel, i take an Abrams any day over a Challenger or the absolute behemoth the Merkava is.
Im not against changes for the US. Altough im convinced most of it’s issues come from the s"itbait players one death leavers and not the actual tanks.
Im just asking myself why it’s been discussed why US doesn’t have it’s newest technologies modeled in the game, when it’s obviously why not → it’s a game
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I think there is a balance needed.
For example. Spike has been added to the game for many helis as a fire and forget missile. The Apaches lack this, despite having it IRL. Whilst the mmV would perhaps be too OP at the moment, just ommitting that and add FnF hellfires without the ability to see through smoke would help level the playing field. At the very least, they could fix the myriad of bug reports for the hellfire we have at the moment.
Likewise when you have show downs like KH-38 vs ADATS. Maybe it would be nice to give US (and Britain) an SPAA that might be able to shoot back, options exists like the SLAMRAAM HUMVEE (for US and Israel) or the Supacat HVM (for Britain) both would enable that ability.
Even minor things like upgrading some NATO nations to better Tpods would be a big boost. Britain stuck with Gen 1 for example, despite it suppose to be Gen 2 and Gen 3+ options available as well.
I dont think its about putting the US (and other NATO nations) ahead, but rather perhaps not leaving them miles behind as they are, especially in the CAS vs SPAA fight like we have at the moment.
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And also to state there is a lot of Russian weapons for example lmur missile which it is fire and forget that is present on mil 28nm and ka52 is not present in the game that’s not to say that they are underperforming because of it but there is restrictions on the Russian weapons not just nato ones
True, though the Vikhrs is still probably the best heli AGM at the moment, even without FnF, but good luck ever getting a Hellfire off with a Pantsir active, and I think that is the main issue. ADATS can just about barely counter a KA-52, not a lot a Apache can do vs a Pantsir without being very, very sneaky
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I agree, hellfires should be fixed.
Adats is by far the worst top tier Spaa anyway, hell i even use the stormer over it.
I agree as well.
I don’t think the US is left behind. They lack SPAA i agree, but they make up for it with the best CAS/multirole jet the F16 is.
Their helis are dogwater i agree on that. (Except maybe the Z-Cobra)
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I think this post is mainly looking at the ADATS/AGM-65 vs Pantsir/KH-38 fight going on at top tier. Look at the tags.
Whislt I think Abrams needs some TLC, you are right, it is fine for the most part
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Yeah pantsir is a menace but I don’t really know if NATO has something similar or equal to it
Yep, though even with that mutlirole advantage they maintain. Spawning in CAP is really really expensive vs a SPAA. It is really annoying.
In terms of range, Supacat HVM is probably the closest. Britains option which fires ASRAAM that have a range of 14-16km.
But I think its time to step everyone (including Soviets) forward. I dont think true balance can be acheived on a “match the Pantsir” basis. SLAMRAAM HUMVEEs are probably the best option for the US which fires AMRAAMs with around 20km max range.
I understand what you’re saying but the current state of US top tier is so bad right now. The combination of click bait players and the Abrams being average tank which gaijin refuses to fix, compared to the meta Leo/strvs is the perfect formula for such poor win rates. Not to forget the match maker but Russia,Germany, and Sweden on the same team most of the time.
But don’t those vehicles require additional vehicle as a radar?
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That pisses me off as well. It’s probably because of the meta-gamers which play these nations in a squad.
Maybe?
I genuinely dont know for both. I think the Supacat can operate without, but works better with.
SLAMRAAM, I dont know. But… I think its time they made a solution for that, Perhaps add some way of these vehicles having an external radar. There is just no way to balance it going forward short of nerfing the Pantsir way down.
The SLAMRAAM HUMVEEs doesn’t need additional radar as you can fire the aim120 in pit bull mode and also it uses aim9x which you can also fire with out a radar obviously.