Typhoon could have come with F-15C MSIP II
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If it were a full up F-15C i would agree, not this current hack job of an aircraft that currently sits ingame
To be fair, a significant number of the vehicles in both the Brit and US trees are hack jobs so it’s kind of just part of the MO now
Most 3rd gen + jet aircraft are hack jobs, not only Brit and US stuff.
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Though, Britian in perticular are most affected by the extremely poor state of BOL (with nearly every single rank 8 aircraft dependent on them for CMs) and the major issues pertaining to IR signatures for high thrust aircraft, aka the Harrier with 2/6 of our Rank 8 aircraft being Harrier’s.
The combo does leave a notable number of our aircraft far more vulnerbale than they should be. Also the Tornados and the SHar are BVR trucks, not dogfighters. Meaning only really the Gripen can go toe to toe with most other nations top tier that can wield F-15s, F-16s, Gripen, Su-27, J-10 etc. And compared to all of those, it has some of the weakest ARHs in game, with the R-Darters liking to loft into space.
Whislt yes, many nations have major issues on their aircraft, I dont think most have quite as many as can be found on British aircraft at the moment.
Britain might have more but every nation has so many issues that I don’t think british aircraft are really treated that much worse than average. The problem is usually more related to the additions themselves.
Most of this issues are also related on how the devs decided to model stuff in the game: BOL suffers because Gaijin can’t seem to code different size or rise time for chaff and flares (either making BOL large caliber with far lower flare rise time or make flare small caliber and chaff large caiber would work to model them better), R-77 suffers because missiles can only have linear drag coefficient, F-15s can’t fire sparrows in HPRF mode because of radar coding limitations and so on and on.
The deeper problem are additions. If the F-18C was introduced earlier Britain and Germany would have competitive top tier, if the MiG-29M was introduced Soviet mains wouldn’t complain and so on. China got the J-10 but we could have gotten it already in june without having them to endure 3 months of the absolute dogshit plane that the J-11A is.
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This is true, Im currently fearing the Typhoon is going to be so badly delayed that it wont be competitive. There is already a good chance its going to be rather heavily gimped, either by Gaijin modeling or by issues like the fact it has a high TWR and only BOL, might make it impossible to flare anything in.
Unless we see a big jump in avionics before it is added, typhoon will be competitive.
Flight performance of the thing is a monster, a full step above current stuff.
It should be. But no gurantee that after the Gripen, its not going to have some artificial handicaps in place.
Though FM holds less of an impact these days at top tier. Would only take the F-15C getting Aim-120Cs and the Typhoon to be left with Aim-120Bs for it to be at a major disadvantage.
I mean the gripen got a very very generous FM, everything that needed to be estimated was taken to the very upper end (and that’s after 2 full threads and multiple bug report), if typhoon gets same treatment it would be a rocketship lol.
Not sure about that. FM impact is still huge and imho still bigger than missiles and radar. The reason the F-15C is so good currently, apart from the radar and missile kit, is that it can climb super fast to 10000m, go mach 1.5, shoot amraams, defend hard, drop only 3000m and still go mach 1.5+. Try to do that in something else and you would be going mach 0.5 at the end without dropping more altitude.
This matters more than one thinks. Firing the same missiles 500kph faster alone has a bigger impact than most people think.
If both sides played perfectly imho a typhoon with 120Bs would win over an F-15C with 120Cs.
In air RB furballs missiles matter more in proportion to FM than what they do in 1v1-8v8 matches, but point still stands.
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they can only track at low altitude, and its tracking is still poor
what’s AGR-20? Is it Hellfire on AH64’s?
The APKWS II, a distributed laser guidance kit (WGU-59B) that can be mounted to 2.75" (70 mm) rockets e.g. Hydra / FFAR, etc. as an extension to the main body of the rocket and so is compatible with many existing permutations of Fuse & warhead.
The AGR-20 is specifically the high speed (Fixed wing) variants used by all services, AGR-19 is similar but include additional EMR protective circuits and is exclusive used by the USMC’s helicopters, the AGR-21 is used by the USAF & Army Aviation, likely on unmanned platforms.
Though they can only be carried in specially lengthened variants of standard rocket pods, which currently only have 4x (e.g. VAMPIRE)and 7x round capacity(LAU-131A & LAU-68F/A), not the larger 19x round versions.
There are additional purpose designed fuses and warheads in development.
Also The date of introduction depends heavily on what specifically you refer to, yes it did reach IOC with the USMC in 2012, though the initial contract for LRIP was signed in 2006 for further development and initial production. Designations of AUR configurations were first issued in 2016, so depends on what you mean exactly.
Of course, in game many of the alternate configurations are inexplicably (arbitrarily) missing from some airframes and present on others, or not present entirely. e.g. the M151, M247, M282 and M285A2 configurations. But that seems entirely normal for non-Russian missiles to be lacking large volume HE & AT options that they should have.
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i did some tests with it and it’s pretty shit lmao. Straight up near useless. Not worth taking over hellfires or AGM65’s
They’re stuck because Gaijin isn’t going up to BR 13.3 like air does. Which makes no sense to me because some players bring those higher tier aircraft into ground RB to artificially increase their ground BR.
So you could have a 12.0 ground RB match, but in reality you’re actually being downtiered against some players with BR 13.0 aircraft.
So just decompress ground top tier some more and eliminate this issue.
They’d be admitting that Leopard 2A6+ tanks are literally superior to everything else all the other nations have by moving them up to 13.0+. Then all the Germany mains would be mad, because they can’t claim their top tanks are “worse” than the M1A2 SEP when it gets a higher BR.
Completely unfeasible suggestion.
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Gaijin wants every country to have a max BR vehicle to sell premiums, but this obviously can’t exist in a balanced environment for top tier.
In game there will always be a relative parity between Russian and American equipment, no matter how each side’s whiners say otherwise. As a result NATO vs REDFOR will always be able to fight eachother since we don’t have Maintenance, Production Flaws, Defective/Rebellious Crew and other real world issues that play a major role in how they perform and synergise with the rest of their respective military. War thunder extracts what’s essentially the tank’s performance on paper (modelled entirely through documented statistics and not real world experiences) and models it against similar vehicles in their combat capability, not relative age or combat capability.
(sorry for late response, my ingame activity was bugged and it didn’t let me post)
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Had that too. Took half a day before I could post, even after playing a dozen matches
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Yeah i ran out of premium and didn’t buy some until wednesday, played a good amount of matches but none of them registered for activity
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