It gets 3 rotations. 12.0s thast counter it only gets 1 downtier bracket. The rest of the time it pretty much as a free reign.
By far the storngest Fox-3 slinger at that Bracket.
Meant 4 nozzles. I was thinking of the Yak-38 lol. An terrible aircraft by every metric.
Well… FRS1 only has 60 and if you arent at max speed, you cant flare an R-60M fired in rear-aspect at 3km with throttling to idle and dumping 8-10 flares.
At closer ranges… R-60M would be unflarable.
T-10 is mostly dependent on BOL, which are useless against anything IR and again, R-60M would probably always hit.
Also, all 4 are subsonic and you can just control that fight with ease or you can use R-24Ts which would also be a guranteed kill most of the time.
So I’ll take that as a no then.
Mig-23 MLD can be countered by lots of things, I killed plenty when going through the USA tree. Granted I play sum only now.
Su-39 still isn’t all that good, just gun run it. Unless that ever gets it’s R-27s or R-77s it’s just a meh plane.
I just played a game the other day, guy was .6ish miles from me in the USA harrier, I fired an R-60m and he popped 1 flare, and whoosh it went after that.
They dont…
IR signatures are based upon thrust. Its a crappy system.
The more thrust you have, the hotter your aircraft is. This is why the F-5s are ice cold even on reheat and the Harriers are really hot.
Also the Harriers ahve an inverted thrust curve, meaning they gain more thrust at lower airspeeds ,rather than everything else which loose thrust. Which means when aircraft defend and bleed speed, their flares become more effective.
In a Harrier… flares become less effective… way less.
Harriers actually should be one of the hardest aircraft to engage with an IR missile
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Such as?
Phantom FGR2/FG1 are the onyl aircraft that can actually counter them in my experience.
You’re telling me this why? I know the reason in game. I know the reason irl…
When you have 4 heat jets shooting out across the plane it creates a huge surface of heat.
Probabyl at max speed, if he was any slower, even slightly, would have hit.
Though the same can easily be said about the 9Ls the Harriers have agaisnt the LCMs the Mig-23MLD has, and the Mig-23 can always just run away
Don’t be coy, you know exactly which ones I’m referring to.
No…
Only 2 of those exhausts are hot, the front 2 are actually cold
Which is actually a good thing IRL… rather than a single concentrated heat source like the Mig-23. The heat is disepated below the wing and scattered. This makes it much harder for IR Missiles to lock on.
Just how?
13.3 is the br where you start to see fox 3s on actual semi-capable platforms; MiG29sMT, su34, Jf17, F16D etc
So pls explain to me what a 13.3 should be like, and why the su27, or even the 13.0s that YOU think should be 13.3 should be highered.
and as far as lower brs go, the a10C is cabale of countering pretty much any red for plane at 11.7 pr similar BR (due to it being itself, undertiered)
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are you using second acc or what?
No?
Unless you consider mud mvoers like the F-111s and Tornado Gr1 are some OP dogfighter
If it can turn quick enough to run away, and hasn’t lost enough speed sure.
Harriers can turn on a dime with the right control setup.
And the Mig-23MLD does have a far better cm count yes. But the Mig-23M is total suffering.
What? No I don’t use alts
I would argue mig 23mld specifically is good at every br bracket it can be played at, even 12.0. mig23ml/mla though with that rwr and fm cannot compete as well as it
My F-4S would like to have a word lol.
you dont have planes that play against mig-23mld in sim while being at same/lower BR.
closest is F-4S… which is higher&you did terrible in it
The Mirage F1C is only one step above it.
There aren’t really any 12.0 phantoms that are better than the Brit ones at 11.3.
It’s not though. Kfir C.10, J8F, and JA37 all perform just as well or better. Also the F-14 IRAF exists as well and is pretty much hard counter to F-4F ICE that tries to shoot AMRAAM from high altitude.