Probably is, doesn’t change a significant amount of people fly it wrong
Most people only know 2 things: 0% elevator, or 100% elevator… not too many people modulate their elevator input. If you stand on your elevator in a delta, all your speed is gone in no time. Sometimes beneficial, mostly isn’t. Compare that to a sabre or mig at the same BR that is infinitely easier to fly…
People see delta and see massive AoA, think its funny turnfighter… delta wing didn’t come in existence for turning ability but stability and efficiency at high speed. I wasn’t until the engine performance got there that delta’s turned into kites in the air in the maneuvering department at low speed too (Mirage 2000 and later developments). All modern fighters follow that concept, add thrust vectoring on top and you can just flip flop in the air and not give a damn like the F22 or Su57
Personally, I think Venom FB.4 at 8.7 it’s suffer because another aircraft 8.7 ~ 9.0 BR armed Air-to-Air Missile and some match meet uptier aircraft 9.7 but de Havilland DH 112 Venom FB.4 never carry Air-to-Air Missile, so it should down to 8.3 BR this year or Q1 2024
Yak-23 would reduce to 8.3, it’s true great manoeuvrability but suffer because sometime meet aircraft 9.3 BR
imo Yak-23 would be fine at 8.0 because there are some good counterparts of them such as Me 262 C-2b and Meteor Mk.8.
In fact Me 262 C-2b reduce to 7.7 BR because low win rate, top speed and acceleration lower another fighter aircraft 7.7 ~ 8.0
You know its boosters are insane and makes it energy fighter…
Problem is just hard to use.
At least I hope gaijin consider Venom FB.4 reduce to 8.3 BR in next major update or Q1 2024 because 8.7 BR it suffer and difficult fight enemy fighter aircraft armed air-to-air missile at 9.0 ~ 9.3
Tried playing a game in the Ki-200… it’s completely insane.
Gaijin thinks this is equal competition, it’s infurating how out of touch Gaijin is, unbelievable.
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Venom FB.4 at 8.7 BR it’s not fine, very suffer and can’t fight enemy fighter with IR SRAAM 8.7 ~ 9.3
I hope gaijin consider Venom FB.4 down BR to 8.3 for Air AB & Air RB in next major update a
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The Venom is where it is for the same reason the Zeros are where they are. No matter the tier, no matter what advantages enemies hold over you, even when turning performance is literally the only thing your plane can do better than theirs, you’re still going to run into players who insist on turnfighting you. It’s as inevitable as daybreak. And the Venom, like with Vampires, Zeros and Spitfires before them, will simply never lose that fight. Which means inflated stats, which mean uptiers.
This is what happens when the game refuses to tutorialize things like knowing the difference between a low energy turnfighter and a high energy energy fighter.
Tutorial’s don’t mean much if people have no interest in learning.
Yes but its actual effectiveness in battle is… questionable. Yeah you can get good at aiming the guns but over 400m a jet can just dodge while he has his speed up. The shell velocity is just that bad. God forbid you try to hit someone over 700 while he’s paying attention. Plus the extra booster fuel is so heavy that it struggles to convert energy advantage into position because the turning circle is huge.
Too good to be 7.7, but not exactly great at 8.0 right now either. Shell drag nerfs hit it hard and larger maps on 6m min fuel put the nail in the coffin for a very interesting plane.
Once we get fuel sliders it could be worth running with something like 9m that will allow you to play the game without every battle being a 1-way trip. Right now if you try playing it and one dude hides in the corner of the map, you’re boned.
As for these 8.7 planes BRs dot is right, no one knows how to engage the enemy other than getting target focused and pressing S key.
because only good players play them. The Ki200 is a strong irony bus, because it’s got less fuel, less ammo volume and less power than the me163 of 8.0, so it’s worse in every single aspect.
However isn’t the Ki-200 lighter and therefore both more maneuverable and accelerating even better?
All 3 rocket planes are strong as hell as long as the pilot know what they are capable of. Sure they have their weaknesses. But there should be no plane carrying a whole battle on their own anyway.
The only one slightly overtiered is the Me 163 B-0 because nowadays the 20mm ammo isnt as strong as it was and the FM is worse than the Ki200. 8.3 would be fair.
Fuel isn’t a problem at all. I flew EC maps in all of 3 without any problems. With 30sec on fuel you can fly through a whole EC map with more than 500kph.
Missiles are no problem at all as long as you hold speed. All radar missiles at this BR range can be outturned with ease and all IR missiles can be avoided by shut of the rocket booster and slightly turning. Restarting rocketbooster to full throttle takes 1sec.