how is a subsonic jet with 5x 1000lb bombs (and 4 aim9L) at 10.7 ground while a Phantom F3/FGR1/FGR2 with 11x 1000lb bombs (and 4 radar missiles and 4 aim9b) also at 10.7?
Like what am i missing with the sea harrier?
this is pretty much why, Gaijin sees all-aspect missiles as more potent than early radar missiles + rear aspects (AIM-9G btw not B), and they kind of are given how easy they are to use, no need to mess with obtaining a radar lock in the first place + alerting the target’s RWR
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Any somewhat decent pilot has the awareness to notice the smoky motor coming at them. They have no flare resistence unless the enemy pilot doesn’t flare until the missile is caressing their buttcrack already.
yea but why 10.7 in ground? in air it makes sense, i can understand it being at 10.7, but like why is it 10.7 in ground? surely ground ordance is more important… and all the F4 (to my knoweldge) get more bombs, are faster and are also in 10.7 ground?
Like does gaijin think they are that good that they cant lower the sea harrier in ground rb ?
also not to mention they get Skyflashes which yknow are the same Radar missiles british jets get all the way until aim120s
Aim9Ls are a very powerful weapon that boosts slower less manuverable airframes into BRs they fit more into by giving them much better air to air capability. Just imagine what BR the A-10 would have to be if it didn’t carry Aim9Ls. It would have to be an 8.0 because its flight characteristics are god awful.
These are not valid defenses for all aspect missiles (hint: they are still more effective than the rear aspect missiles)
If looking around and flaring doesn’t stop non-IRCCM all-aspect missiles from getting you, you’re a lost cause.
Once again, rear aspect missiles are worse than all aspect missiles regardless whether you think all aspects are somehow bad just because they CAN be flared.
Didn’t say they were bad, I just dont think they’re a big deal over rear aspects unless you’re facing things that don’t have flares (which you shouldnt)
They are an improvement over rear aspect carriers and should be a higher BR when other aspects are equal.
I disagree. They provide ever so slight benefits lmao, lets not act like these ALL ASPECT missiles dont do better when used in rear aspect anyway.
I mean, for example give the F-4J AIM-9Ls (i dont know or care if this is historically accurate, its just an example) Does this mean that it deserves to get uptiered?
Yes… because then it has great SARH and great IR at the same BR as the FGR/FG.1 that has both worse radar AND now worse IR missiles…
9Ls are a LOT better to use than 9Js for example, it is NOT always about how hard it is to flare the missile… the 9L simply has many more engagement opportunities than something rear limited like a 9J or base R60 does.
okay yea for air it makes sense, like its okay the SHAR being 10.7 air… but i dont understand why its 10.7 ground, it has less ordanace then other jets at the same br (in ground atleast) and like
the Sea Harrier Frs1e is 10.3 with (granted less) aim9L so… idk man i just find the fact the sea harrier is in 10.7 stupid, you have literally no lineup with the phantoms or sea harriers (the only lineups at that br range are 10.3 and 11.7)
so because you can attack from the front aspect, you increase the BR… what?
The SHar simply inherited its Air BR. Whilst its CAS capabilities at 10.3/10.7 respectively is rather underwhelming considering its sub-sonic nature, it is an effective CAP aircraft with a half decent radar and 2-4 Aim-9Ls.
The SHars should not be used for the purpose CAS alone and are our best CAP for the BR (at least before the split BRs and the lowering of the Phantoms, though they require uptiering the ground forces). It would be deeply unfair to expect non-flare aircraft to defend against a SHar at the BR of say a Harrier Gr3 at 9.7 (when you consider a full downtier especially)
That being said, they should be reclassed as naval fighters and not strike aircraft, not only is that a more accurate classification for the aircraft, but it would allow you to use them as CAP either before or after using the Jaguar Gr1A or Buc S2B (both actually very capable CAS aircraft) without the current massive SP penalty.
That would be the most notable buff for the SHar in GRB, along with the fixing the currently smokey exhaust from the engine, which is wrong and has been reported.
Yes, all aspect is much more effective than rear aspect only. You can have many many more effective side aspect opportunities with all aspect missiles.
Yes… the missiles are quite a bit better
ah okay, so sorta classic gaijin bias agaisnt britian and a side effect from the br changes gotcha
btw the sea harrier FA.2 performance… i feel like it is alot better IRL but i maybe wrong, do you know anything about that?
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FM is right, but the harriers are modeled wrong withwise to IR signatures. Way too hot. And BOL is broken. Flares should be about equal to large calibre flares (though with a very short burn time) but are modeled as small calibre and chaff should be about equal to a standard calibre chaff packet but is modeled as a small calibre packet
You also have things like a placeholder RWR and HUD