The only diffrence between the mirage 3c(10.0) and the mirage 3e(10.7) is that its heavier and has flares. I dont think this warrants a 0.7 br inrese. It should be 10.3 just like the swiss mirage.
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Nuh uh. Magic 1 ws 9m3 planes?
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Mirage3c already gets to bully 9.0 with magics. swiss mirage is also arguably better than the 3e. I think it deserves 10.3
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The problem at this br are the mig 21s, the mig 21 mf an smt shouldnt be 10.3 as having countermeasures, ir missiles and radar missiles on a mig 21 air frame is not a 10.3 jet. They stop the mirage 3c from being moved up to 10.3 as well as ruining an entire br bracket as they push down many jets that shouldnt be 9.0, 9.3 and 9.7. The mig 21 bis’ also shouldnt be 11.0 with r60ms which also push a load of jets down. The mirage 3e should stay at 10.7 along with all the mf and smt being moved up to 10.7 along with the mirage 3s. The j7d should get moved to 11.0 as its obviously better than the mirage 3e and mf/smt. the mig 21 bis should be at 11.3.
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Never siad this one was balanced too but… anyways no but
They once tried to decompress 10.3 to 10.7, but they didn’t do anything to anyone higher, making 10.7 and higher compressed, so some planes are much played to have the stats back and Re-compress back to 10.3. m3e was not on the list.
J7D br is a joke.
when they moved the lazur down to 11.0 i new everyone else was fucked. i had it before and was already having a blast with it. The amount of compression around the br is insane. There is a reason why ALL games between 9.3 and 10.0 will always be a 10.3 game minimum. The gap between 10.0 and 10.3 is like a 9.0 jet fighting a 9.3 f104.
I could honestly see the IIIC and IIIE being at the same BR. They’re effectively sidegrades of each other. The IIIE gets an RWR and countermeasures, which is very handy, but it gives up quite a sizable chunk of flight performance to do so.
And once you get a handle on how to fly the IIIC, you don’t really need the countermeasures or RWR. Having good spatial awareness combined with the IIIC’s excellent flight performance means that you can just avoid getting into situations where you’d need either of them. The scariest RADAR missiles you have to face are AIM-7E, which are not hard to spot coming, and against everyone else you can just dodge the RADAR missile, onecircle them and push them away with the Magic 1s.
Both would work just fine at 10.3, as long as the other overperforming planes around the BR also get adjusted up (Looking at you, J-7D).
Problem is, mig 21 mf and smt have the radar missile (r3r isnt great but forces the person into a good position to go eother guns or missiles on, especially deadly for a plane with no countermeasures) flight performance and ir missiles to just effectively negate any advantage you had at the br. These jets are huge contributors to the compression at the br.
J7d is bad but its basically does what a mig 21 mf/smt does but a little better.
R-3Rs are fun, but they’re effectively just all aspect AIM-9Bs. Any reasonable pull makes them miss. The R-530, while still not exactly hard to dodge, is still a bit more difficult to deal with, and has much greater range. The main advantage of the R-3R is that you can fire it off at exceptionally close range against people who are full commit headon-ing, but if someone’s smart enough not to take it they aren’t that useful.
I don’t have much experience with the MiG-21s at this BR range (I’ve only played the Finnish MiG-21 Bis), which makes me hesistant to judge them. I try to only make blanket statements about vehicles I’ve played, or ones who are so blatantly under/overperforming that it’s not nessesary.
That being said, I generally find the MiG-21 SMT to be just slightly better than the Mirage IIIC. They both get short range, high G IR missiles, the difference is the MiG gets more of them, while the Mirage’s Magics are generally better than R60s. It’s a similar story with RADAR missiles, except that if the MiG wants to bring more it cuts into the R60 supply.
The flight performance is where it gets tricky. I haven’t flown them myself, but flying against them, I’d say the SMT has a slight but noticable edge, if both planes merge with equal energy. It’s hard to say for sure though.
Then there’s the countermeasures, which are a definitive edge for the SMT.
What makes the J-7D so strong is that it combines near Mig-21 Bis levels of performance (Outside of straight line acceleration) with much stronger missile than the SMT. 4 Magic 1s, something the Mirages would kill for as an option, it often considered a weaker loadout than the 4 PL-5Bs, which tells you something.
IMO: Mirage IIIs at 10.3, SMT at 10.7, J-7D 11.0, MiG 21 Bis possibly also 11.0. Need to see where the other flareless planes shake out before I start throwing supersonic aircraft with all aspect missiles at them.
Yes smt/mf is ridiculous at 10.3 and they should’ve never moved down. I’ve played the German one and only reason I’m not destroying flareless planes is cause I go vs j7d almost every match. They’re some of the least threatened planes in uptiers too cause going vs even better heat seeking missiles isn’t a big issue when one or two flare uses counters them
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Just play the 3c to easily get through that rank all the premium players will die to the radar missile and then with the rest of your weaponry dominate way worse vehicles like the f100
Ive played both and trust me, the mirage 3 cannot dog fight unlike what you would think. It has almost no low speed handling, to the point your falling out of the sky and pulling vert simply leaves you hanging as you cant pull your nose back down. Against a mig 21, at any energy, it will lose 9/10 times simply because the mig 21 can stay out of its line of fire for long enough to win. And the fact the mig 21 gets a flares pod (that doesnt effect its fm at all mind you) basically means as soon as you get one on your ass your dead, even without the r60s.
The mirage 3c is good fun but the problem is your radar missile can be chaffed by a single pop, no exaggeration its just a very early missile. Its fantastic in a down tier but gets stomped by anything above 10.0. It should be 10.3 but as i said the mig 21 is so dominant it would effectively make it unusable compared to using the mirage 3e.
R3rs can kill and pull immediately which is pretty big for the head ons. It either scores the kill or forces the enemy to pull away showing their rear to the mig giving them the advantage, and considering the mig 21mf probably has the best fm for the br other than the f5 it simply has no equal.
Although, the ecm pod it has should only get chaff but i doubt gaijin will be acting on the bug report due to obvious reasons (premium sales would go down and mig 21 bis simply cant go down). So they HAVE to move up in order to decompress the br a bit.
This is all ignoring the other mig 21s at the br that SHOULD be moved up like how the mig 21 sps k is sat at 9.7 with the ability to carry 2 r60s or 4 r3rs along with countermeasures or a gun… Its a pfm fm which wasnt even bad but the fact the pfm in the russian tree is at 9.3 with 2 r3s or r3rs but this is sat 0.4 above it with this much extra shows how compressed this range is. We NEED to get these things moving up before they stay at these brs and cause jets like the mig 15 bis to move down even more. We got mig 17s at 8.7 for gods sake… these jets have no right facing 7.7…
F100 is actually alot of fun against anything that isnt a 10.3. If it weren’t for the mig 21mf i would go and say they were actually good. I enjoyed spading the french one (only get 9b instead of the 9es of the others) untill i got constant uptiers nearer tot he end of the spading process. Although this was coming off of the super mystere spading process so i may have just been happy playing something that isnt straight hot trash…
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woah radar guided AIM-9B so scary
Are you purposely dense are just retarded?
And there not 9bs, they had upgraded servos allowing for better pull, so more like 9es.
I am grinding the 3c rn. 11k rp from it. I dont have a prem grinder bc am broke so I have to rely on spading planes for their rp bonus so I have to play almost every plane in the rank and spade them. rank7 seems quite bleak for france. F8 lacks flares mirage3c lacks flares 3e is 10.7 and the other belgian mirage doesnt have magics. I dont understand how the mirage3 e is rsame br as j7d or the nf5c
I didn’t find it all that bad. For how overtiered the IIIE is, it’s not exactly a bad plane. Magic 1s are still good, and hold up better than most early IR missiles against flares due to how quick the missile is, meaning it gives the enemy less time to react. The flight performance is worse, but not cripplingly so. It’s a very OK plane.
The French F-8E is kinda not as awful as it looks. Yes, it’s worse than the IIIC, but that’s more due to the IIIC being hilariously undertiered than anything else. You lose the R530, but in exchange you get F-8E dogfight performance at a stupid low BR. You can outdogfight practically anything you see, even in partial uptiers, often several at the same time. The main things to note is that it is slower than the IIIC, making positioning more important, and the wingrip issue, which is better than it was, but still worth considering.
The Super Etendard I didn’t touch. It’s probably fine. It’s got flares and Magic 1s at 10.3, so that’s pretty solid. It’s actually the lowest BR plane to supercruise, as while it lacks any afterburner it can actually break mach. It’s still slow for the BR. Don’t know how it handles, but if it’s anything like the previous Etendard I’ll probably hate it.
The Mirage F1 is odd. The good news pretty much begins and ends with Magic 2s at a stupidly low BR, which are almost free kills once you get a handle on them. You also have more countermeasure than you’ll know what to do with. The bad news is pretty much everything else. The flight performance is generally poor, you will lose dogfights against hardwing Phantoms. The R530s are borderline deadweight, the Fs have good pull but due to the pulse seeker head a single blob of chaff anywhere near the target and it misses. And the R530 is the exact same missile you had a 10.0, not exactly exciting at 12.0.
