Why is the F-16 ADF 13.0?

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If you are below 6000m you can just defeat the AIM54 kinematically by doing a high G barrel roll, its easily timed if you can see the missile smoke, harder if the AIM54 was fired from beyond 30km, but at those ranges, it can be defeated even easier by cranking.

The AIM54 only works against AFK pilots, and in a 1v1 the mig-29 with R27ER counters it every time.
If the tomcat takes the AIM-7F/M, it is massively outranged and outperformed. The Tomcat has to fire the AIM-7 several seconds before the Mig-29 to stand a chance

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And even then the ER would reach the F-14 before the 7F

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HMD R-73, dont go into a fight you know won’t work for you. The F-14 is so hot that in rear aspect, it probably will still hit you (AIM-9Ls are unflarable in the thing.)

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Not to mention that if it’s a MiG-29G, F-14 will also lose in a dogfight. R-73, HMS and a hot F-14 is not a good combo for the F-14.

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We can run it if you want but I’m pretty confident I can beat the 29 with the 14 on a consistent basis.

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The MiG-29G is 13.0.
I would be in the F-15A and just slap it.

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Yes, being Fox 3 doesn’t count … Mig29s when they launch 27ER they run back home too XD

Thet guide the until pitbull, that’s a huge 16km, you can turn back without any risk after that, and the other guy has still to be dogfighiting the misiles

Some maps are 64km, and you can turn once your misile is 20km from the target, WTF, stop fooling us.

Yes, but the F-14 can turn after 7s, and the 27ER will never reach

Those are ealisy flareable, and rear aspect.

Avoinding the phoenix is not easy, you don’t have labels in SB, you don’t know when to make high Gs, if you make them too early, you are dead

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Yeah, the F-15A would beat it as well. Remember, you dont need to rate fight things lmao

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The Phoenix will be far easier to defeat as well.

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They have 6, and they don’t have to risk anything, they can go RTB and SPAM 6 more …

Also, the 27ER is also easy to evade with terrain, you have only to hide from the plane, if the other plane is low, really easy.

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1 vs 1 is very diferent from SB, cranking in SB means exposing yourself to other enemies, meanwhile the F-14 is running back home safely

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avoid the phoenixes, as it isn’t difficult, and just fly forward after. eventually, he will be too close for phoenixes to hit.

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Another RB player … we don’t have labels in SB with the exact distance of the misiles, not that easy in SB …

I don’t go to the RB topics to give missinformation on a mode I don’t play

“Misile smoke” you say … that’s a joke, when they hit they are normally out of rocket fuel, don’t foolish us, what you see is the label.

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Even so, you have RWR, notch it and give a few puffs of chaff. Let’s not act like the Phoenix an unstoppable foe

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Who said that ?

I said the people with Phoenix at 12.7 were moaning because the other team has 27ER at 12.7 !!! And they Have 6 !!!

Also those moaners with 6 misiles are normally outnumbering the Mig29s

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Oh okay my bad. With the MP changes, its not a bad matchup anymore. Not used to people admitting phoenixes arent great.

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Nobody is saying that the Phoenix is unstoppable.
The issue is that a bunch of players that never play Sim are trying to theorize how the game mode works and how it plays based purely on Air RB experience.

There are no shared markers in Sim. There is no missile launch diamond. There is no early game process where all of the noobs have shot of all of their phoenixes. There is no mouse aim where you can easily flick shots onto a plane from 1km away.

The Aim-54 doesn’t have to be unstoppable…it just needs to be good enough to out-range most MiG-29s or force them to trash their R-27ER. Forcing a MiG-29 to drop you from the radar means it is going to take a minimum of 7-14 seconds to find you again after it tries to turn back into you. The gap in acceleration and speed between the R-27ER only really buys you an extra 2-3 seconds if you are attempting to missile joust.

In the F-14 vs MiG-29…I have the advantage of having the only ARH missile at 12.3BR and it’s been buffed to the extent where you can’t halfway completely ignore it. If you try to multi-path it…you have the highest likelihood of taking splash damage. I can fire the Aim-54 much more safely from a further range because I can also carry two of them so that I am not really reliant on the first one to hit. In addition to that…I can back up the Aim-54 with 4 of the 2nd best SAR-H missiles in the game. I have 6 fairly credible opportunities to kill a MiG-29 before the merge…he only has 2 missiles that I have to make an effort to defend against. Guess what happens if we get to the merge? Wings go brrrr and then I just win with guns.

Even something like F-16A and ADF is a pretty easy win against the MiG-29; the R-27ER is not a good enough missile to make up for how bad the flight model is or how bad the radar is.

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Actually didn’t notice this is a SIM discussion, i’ll just leave this alone here.

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You make it sound like AIM-54 is some kind of super bias missile, when the only missile that ever was a super bias missile was R-27ER. No one questioned it 1 year ago. R-27ER has been nerfed along the way, but the nerf didn’t make it worse than AIM-7F/M by any means.

Even if you can’t just ignore an AIM-54, it’s still easy to dodge it or notch it. At long range it’s easy to dodge/notch any missile and at close range AIM-54 really isn’t effective. It’s a very heavy missile that needs some space and time to accelerate. When you launch it it kind of just drops and then starts flying.

Close to medium range missile jousting is the most important characteristic in a plane, in which R-27ER used to trash AIM-7F/M, and now it’s just better. At long range no missile can give a high chance for a kill and dogfights expose you to 3rd parties. Close-mid range missile jousting is the best way to quickly and easily stack up kills while staying safe. Previously it couldn’t be really utilized as effectively because of multipathing.

MiG-29 is faster on the deck than U.S. planes, which allows you to do exclusively missile jousting and returning back to base when you run out of missiles. When you run away F-14s can’t even see you on radar, so no risk of AIM-54 splashing you.

An F-14 or an F-15 can force the MiG-29 to go defensive with ARHs and/or by having more SARHs, but if they use this to push, they just expose themselves to close-mid range missile jousting, where they are inferior.

The radar won’t make a significant difference in missile jousting. I really doubt the “7-14 seconds to find you again” part. If you get very close you have ACM/HMS.

MiG-29 has a limit of only 2 R-27ERs, so it can’t really dominate the lobby. I bet on average you would get 1.5 kills per flyout. It’s a bit like an A-10, it has 2 very good missiles and really nothing else, except MiG-29 is probably the fastest plane on the deck, unlike A-10. If Su-27 was a 13.0 instead of a 13.3, it would destroy lobbies.

I really wish MiG-29 was fixed, had a competitive flight model, had it’s R-73s and was limited to R-27Rs, instead of being carried by the R-27ER, but it is what it is. I see no reason why F-16A ADF is a 13.0. Sparrows alone really don’t make a plane 13.0 worthy, if the R-27ER doesn’t. F-16A and F-16A ADF always had the same BR, one was multirole and the other was for air to air combat.

TL;DR
R-27ER is still fast, AIM-7F/M is still slow, AIM-54 is still fat, missile jousting > long range BVR. F-16A and F-16A ADF should always have the same BR (12.7 in current state of the game), one is multirole and the other is for air to air combat. Actually fix Russian gen 4s, instead of sweeping their issues under the rug with the R-27ER.

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Ok. I’ll make you a deal. Prove me wrong. You can bring MiG-29 and I’ll bring F-14A.

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