As the thread has covered, thermals are gen 1 and neither good nor particularly helpful, era is useless since it doesn’t even provide 400mm protection with your armor, meaning the lowest pen heat rounds you commonly see are still penning through it. coax 20mm uses hvap/he meaning 1/2 the rounds are completely ineffective and the other half are… also ineffective. Imo, the coax is a trap and better to not fire it at light vehicles unless its AA with literally zero armor. Even a bmp, marder, or similar chassis has enough armor to cause the hvap to shatter every hit.
Dart is good, but with LR showing up on everything lately its not like the LR is unique (type 69 with dart, lr, and stab at 8.0). So you are giving up the stab for… an overkill dart? Pretty easy to see why ppl don’t play much ~8.7 french. ~2 years ago the brenaus might have been competitive, but the proliferation of lr and darts to ever tree has made its selling points moot.
Do you even read the thread. Everyone has agreed it gets those things, but gen 1 thermals aren’t helpful, lrf is common by 8.7, and darts are on nearly everything at 8.7. The olifant gets lrf, 340 pen apfsds and stab at 8.3.
The best comparison to the brenus is the vickers 11, which gets a similar dart, lrf, stab, spotting, better gun depression, same reload and is also 8.7. Having played both significantly, the vickers is wildly better. The brenus getting coax and era is more a joke than actual counterpoints.
LRF is only helpful for long range shots where you can still get the same result with skill
Just make it 8.3 along with amx30b2
The soft advantages the brenus brings do not justify its position at 8.7 without a stabilizer. The AMX-30B2 double so because it lacks all but the LRF and Dart… It does not even gain the engine buff.
is there a point to your straw man? You are the only one suggesting 7.0. 8.3 puts it at a br cluster that france can use while not being all that strong vs even the 7.3s. 400 pen heat still goes through most of the ERA meaning only 7.0 heat slingers are the only ones having problems and it has pretty glaring weak points.
Well speed is quite important and laser rangefinder barely needs skill for any range shots. And thing is mid-long range engagement on a lot of map is very common that gives good advantage
Yes, but lots of players, myself included, take LESS time to aim than it takes your LRF to give you range and then for you to adjust aim. LRF only helps players who can’t already aim until you’re at such a range as to where it is actually handy, like past 1200-1400m.
Not really. Most maps are CQB or at the very least broken up a lot by sightlines being obstructed.
.4 and .5 does not exist and you’re aware of this. 8.3 is where both belong and they won’t even be the best tanks there.
Maybe controversial but i think its fine at 8.7. It basically has everything except for armor and stabilizer. Good speed, good gun and ammo, good protection from missiles and HEAT. I just want all the AMX-30s to have their armor fixed (its very thin compared to its real thickness) and would also want the 20mm ammo to be set at its historical values. With both fixes I would easily use it as high as 9.3
The AMX-30b2 Brenus is riddled with flaws. The most significant is that its ERA lacks 100mm of KE protection (it’s an ERA similar to Kontakt-5). Historically speaking, the most significant flaw is that this AMX-30 received the OLF105G2, as that would be the ammunition it should have used based on its production dates. Also, as you mentioned, it lacks the APDS for the 20mm gun. And I’m not sure if it has any other armor defects.
From what I remember, all AMX-30s are missing a decent bit of armor thickness, mostly just enough for autocannon protection, but that would greatly help. And yes, everything else you said is true as well. Everything wrong with the AMX-30, AMX-32 and AMX-40 series of vehicles Useful thread.
Israeli tanks are literally a weird joke.
There’s the Magach 5 in Br8.0 with the M111 (historical), and there’s the Magach 3 ERA in Br8.0 with ammunition 10 years older than the tank itself (unrealistic). Both should have the M111 and be Br8.3.
I would also add the M413 for the Magach 6M and the Shot Kal Dalet.