Why is Germany doing so bad - quick overview of WW2 BR range

You keep trolling.
Add 10 degrees of terrain angle to Pz IV front armor and tell me how much stronger it got, hahaha.
Go ahead and penetrate that lower glacis on angled/moving KV-1. Great way of getting yourself killed.
It’s nice you can take KV-1 out with the most OP 3.7 vehicle.
Seriously, how can one keep lying and trolling?
Be gone for a year.
I will not respond to you any more, you haven’t made 1 reasonable argument. You started with some cat picture, and that was the highest quality effort, as you at least were not lying/intentionaly misinterpreting my comments/creating fantasy scenarios (you meet M10 in Pz IIIM then you reload to HE, too bad you’re dead because he didn’t have to reload to HE at all).

And we’re 100% ignoring M4A1 and Chaffe and M4 and M4A2 and M4A3 105mm absolutely curbstomping German tanks.

This!!! finally another person see the real problem beyond the “bad players” meme.
Another big issue is the lack of certain BRs. Germany bascially dont exist in 4.7,6.3, 7.0 and 7.3 this nation relay in complete lineups of premiuns and removed rare vehicles meanwhile the others nations have very powerfull and complete tech ttree lineups.

Movility nerfs of course plus BR bump. Gaijin basically spend the last 2 years in destroy germany in mid ranks.

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Ironic, the guy saying “you’re misinterpreting my comments” is misinterpreting other people’s comments.

Nowhere did I say you had to load HE to kill the M10. However even the weakest gun can load HE and kill it, even an early Pz.IV with a short 75mm is actually dangerous to the M10 because of this.

And the M10 tanking shots? The upper glacis is 38.1mm at 56°. It is thinner and less angled than the T-34’s upper glacis, which your Pz.IV can penetrate.

Even the mantlet you complain so much about is only 57.04mm cast at 47 degrees. It is slightly thicker equivalent than the Sherman glacis, which again, you can pen in the Pz.IV.

And then, if you have so much skill issue as to not pen the armor somehow, just load a single HE round.

Whenever I notice an open top tank I’m not confident in one shotting, I do this little trick: before I pop out of cover and potentially fumble, I preemptively shoot my loaded AP while in cover and load HE, ans then I pop out of cover and fire. Using your brain helps.

Also the bush argument is the stupidest thing I’ve seen because it literally applies to ALL tanks except maybe barns like the PzH 2000.

Where is it… ah, right here.

Ironic, the guy saying “you’re misinterpreting my comments” is misinterpreting other people’s comments.

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Except it’s a bit of a myth. See, when you and the enemy both can penetrate each other at will, except enemy can do so at wider variety of angles (Pz IV side becomes vulnerable basically immediately) and the main target for you and enemy is the turret, then it’s post-pen that counts.
And US and Soviets have A LOT better post pen damage thanks to way bigger explosive fillers.
Also ammo placement on Pz III/IV is horrible.
Also Pz IIIM has horrible firepower, mediocre mobility, can’t pen M4A1 in a lot of spots (ither way around it’s an easy kill) is more vulnerable to CAS, sits at same BR. How does that make any sense?

The firepower is not “superior”. Firepower is trying to bridge the armor and mobility gap.
It works vs Brits, it partially works vs Soviets, it doesn’t work at all vs US and A.
And US plays vs Germany almost every game

This thread is a perfect example of everything wrong with the forum. Ragebait, insults and people using anecdotes as facts.

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Your comment contains no arguments. Either start actually participating in discussion properly, go elsewhere or join the ignore list.

Its not meant to. I’m making a statement about the post.

Case in point. Thanks!

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Gaijin deliberately created the problem by taking a PAK Puma, a vehicle produced in reasonable numbers and making it impossible to obtain mythical creature
Meanwhile it should be a part of a techtree, filling at least a part of the mobility/map control gap.

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Normal puma is better and can be used up to 6.7 without any problems. Hellcat eater, bane of shermans, for soviets - the only reason they live is their magic fuel tanks, but it’s pretty workable. Actually the best BR for tech tree puma is 6.0.

Any idea what could plug up the Rank 3 gap though? No light tanks at all at Rank 3 is a bit restrictive. I can only really think of the Swiss Saurer but its closest counterpart is Rank 4 (Sub-I-II)
^Maybe the first Luchs?

Normal Puma has horrible pew-pew gun that requires you to be relatively close to kill anything.
PAK Puma is vastly superior, as it can’t be ignored.
Puma at 800m? Unless my T-34 is side on, I know he can pen maybe 1 in 10 shots, and he’ll need like 2-3 to take me out, so 20-30 shots in total.
M4 Sherman is safe within frontal 80 degrees, maybe 85, and that’s when firing from relatively short range.

Hellcat is dangerous because it hits hard. It needs 1 shot and Panther is gone and it penetrates Panther from every angle too. Shot to the turret front and Panther loses.turewt crew and transmission. Very fun.

Pak-Puma can lock-down maps.
Normal Puma can not.

Well, PAK-Puma, if Gaijin ever decides they care about the game (they don’t and they won’t)

Nice top post has been flagged by forum trolls.
What a great community!

You should have seen what these monkeys are doing. It looks like they got help downloading the game. They wouldn’t have had the brains to do that.

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I can’t think of a time they’ve moved Premium → TT. They could change the Prem. to a “Western Front” one with camo net (not like it changes much) and make a TT one,

But you’d probably have to look for an old Swiss or Axis-aligned Minor operator (Slovakia/Croatia?)

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Sometimes it feels like this.
But my experience with slaughtering planes in Ground RB using Ta-152H tells me people on the ground are not very smart in general, regardless of the team (plane on plane combat requires some thinking, even if it feels like it’s “just turn, br0”)

It can though, because it’s hellcats (and any american TD’s) hardcounter. Don’t you insult my puma, it’s perfectly capable and the only tank I’ll take over chaffee for it’s role.

I don’t think that’s an issue when you have at least 2 other nations on your team 🤔

The old days of one or two nations vs. another one or two are long gone.

The Shermans ARE far superior though. You get better mobility, better armor, and the stabilizer allows you to out-shoot everyone else.

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The Big 3 are generally pretty bad (USA, USSR, GER). Other nations have decent vehicles and generally a higher skill ceiling at low tier (JPN, FRA)

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