Just 3 reasons
Lack of LT, only PUMA or M41
Lack of CAS, which is also good at dogfight( New CAS SP system makes it worse)
Tons of new players
But most of the parts are due to there being tons of new German Players
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Use the 20s. The US 20s get really nice belts that can take out t34s and even panthers/tigers.
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I wouldn’t even bother with the bombs on the 335s
maybe the external 250s
never the internal bay 500
which belts are you using? AP or HVAP?
Hard to sympathise for Germany when the PzH 2000 exists
core issue with Germany 6.7-7.7 is the lack of competitive higher tanks to lift up the 6.7s
the best 7.0 you can’t get anymore (Paper II)
7.3 RU251 and M47 are Premiums
which leaves a lone M48C, the (pathetic) Marder A1-, a derp cannon (albeit a decent one) and 2 rat vehicles with beanbag launchers repping tech tree Germany 7.3-7.7
I guess there’s a reason so many bought the TURM III to skip this trash
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Regardless of BR, German tanks are gimped on purpose. I get hit in a track…oh but somehow my gunner is now dead or by breach is broken or gun barrel broken. Arty lands within 100m of my tank? Yep gunner dead again.
100% of every shot you take if does not kill you disables your ability to shoot so they can kill you on the 2nd. 100 F’ing %.
I believe they do this seeing they still hold a grudge against germany for stomping them into the ground in 1941. They just cant leave thier egos at home.
Name checks out.
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Me when the BT-7 players will hit the hull side plate weak spot and one shot,
Not necessarily true
eh
These are neither performance shortcomings nor skill issues. What Germany lacks in BR 3.0 to 6.7 is weapon ““versatility””. Light tanks are insufficient in number, relying solely on the Puma and M41. The Pz.IV has thin armour and cannot operate aggressively. The Tiger boasts excellent performance but has high SP. The Do335 uses superb bombs and powerful 30mm AP-I rounds but cannot establish air superiority. The Bf109 can achieve air superiority but struggles at low altitudes and carries only one bomb. The Fw190 is mediocre in every respect.
Conversely, other nations possess the M24 and Hellcat, consistently outnumbering us in light tanks. The Ki-100, Corsair, and P-47 offer superb balance between bomb load and dogfighting capability. The M4 is equipped with stabilisers, while the T-34 excels in every aspect. The Yak-9K and T-34 MA are legendary weapons.
The VK30.02M and Panthers are the sole saving grace.
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wait hold up why’d you skip the 5.7? its my go to clubbing lineup
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That only really applies to 5.7+. Below that, you only have flying bricks, namely P-61 and F6F-5N, the P-38s, and some Hispanos.
Germany so far has been best at 5.0 where you have second best CAS, best SPAA, and by far best tanks.
It’s one of the areas flashing green in protection analysis. The point was to show, that despite PA showing a lot of “weakspots” in the turret, the actual vulnerable area is way smaller.
I see you came here to troll and spew vitriol. It’s pretty sad you deliberately misinterpret my comments and can’t make a single argument. Meanwhile M10 continues being superior to German tanks of similar BR.
These are not flying bricks. F6F5N is as maneuvrable as Bf 109s of similar BR, so I guess German planes are flying bricks too.
P-61 handles nicely, but size makes it an easy target.
What is this 5.0 great German CAS BTW? I’m really interested, because sure as hell I don’t own this magical plane.
Germany has no 5.0 SPAA. Ostwind II at 5.e is inferior to Milktruck (better range, better firepower as 25mm hits just as hard as 37mm thanks to real sh*tter 3.0) and BTR-152D (2 14.5mm HE bullets will.ruin your day, again range is insane) when it comes to anti-air effectiveness, though it’s a bit more survivable than milktruck and better vs light vehicles than either.
Germany 5.0 tanks consists of like what, 1 vehicle? Yeah, it’s good. It also can’t hope to get anywhere near the the cap with non-existent turret rotation and reverse. Ah, there’s also Nashorn, which is absolute glass cannon with bad mobility on top of it, it’s pretty damn bad, especially when compared with f.e. Su-85M. The premium KV-1 is very nice, though, arguably a bit better than KV-85, but it’s premium, so it’s not surprising it’s pay2win.
You also got the sb2 series which work decently.
You do have that 1.7br gap between 4.0 and 5.7 where guns dont work well. But the p47 is there which is a classic.
The lower brs are where german cas peak so they do have some strong pure cas options.
“Of course teams suck too”
Teams sucking is a consequence of the vehicles in the lineup.
You go from “glass cannon that gets roflstomped by Sherman and Chaffee” to M10 with slightly more armor (VK) and worse reverse and gun depression, then you get this hybrid heavy tank (Panther D) which only works if you stay back since you’re constantly risking getting outmaneuvered very badly due to turret rotation, reverse and general turn rate (Tiger II handles a lot better).
Then you get Tiger H that punishes you for angling with useless mine-launchers.
1st German tank that has all-around nice handling and armor is Tiger E. At 6.0 - it’s VERY good. But I have outlined the problem with the lineup and team behaviour stemming from it in the 1st post.
Meanwhile US gets their lesson in close range combat with armor/gun/mobility combo in their 3.3-4.0 tanks, similar story with Soviets, though 3.3-4.0 T-34s are a joke compared to M4A1.
I smell massive skill issue here lol.
When I first played the game I mained germany and basically grinded the entire WW2 portion of the TT by hand using a pz4 lineup. In my honest opinion it is just fine as it is, I’ve managed to maintain 1.5+ kd with while using a controller. The germans got superior firepower, enough mobility and acceptable armor, if you can’t get used to that I’d say you should go somewhere where skill and experience doesn’t matter that much.
Have fun out there!
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…Have you looked at your own comments?
I misinterpreted nothing.
You only added the “context” of protection analysis on the KV-1 now, something which actually adds nothing to your point because there are plenty other areas to shoot (lower glacis, turret corners, the mantlet itself).
Just the fact it is open top is a huge disadvantage. The mediocre at best armor stops mattering completely when a smart/good players can bypass it by just loading a high explosive round (and as I said, the armor is mediocre, it can’t reliably resist the main guns of its BR), on top of it just dying if any plane looks at it, particularly german planes since German 20mm have the most filler and overpressure enabled, so they need very few shots to completely kill it.
Making the turret traverse of the M10 seem like a small deal shows how this entire topic is bad faith. Reminder for everyone else: the M10 has the worst turret traverse speed in the entire game, tied with the Pvkv IV at a miserable 4.5°/s maximum. It is so slow that even the Panther D is 33% faster.
The mobility is not good as even though it has slightly higher hp/ton than a Pz.IV G, the 48 km/h top speed with just a 5 gear transmission makes acceleration slow. With a bad reverse speed and attrocious turret traverse the M10 is on an entirely different level of bad at reacting to new threats.
And remember, if you’re going to use the “M10 is better at sniping card”, you have quite literally said this:
And even if it stays back it can just be taken out by a HE round to the track.
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This is somewhat of a phenomenon tbh, from what I observed German teams are made up of two extremes of great and totally bad players with little to no middle ground. This may be understandable at earlier BRs but since I see it every other match in every BR it really puzzles me
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Removal of every sniping spot and non stop adding CQC maps.
Continues nerfs in movility for Tigers, Panthers and even Leopards.
Hidding every meta good vehicle behind a brutal pay wall.
The ONLY NATION ingame without scouting in rank 3.
Completely biased MM where Germany fight alone or poorly supported by minors nations in 8 or 10 battles meanwhile USA+SOV combo dominating the mid/ low ranks.
But of course for allies mains is just “bad germany players”
@Loofah Sorry mate but complain about Germany in this forum is like sin.
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Lower glacis is a horrible target, also KV-1 angles very nicely.
Turret corners - now you’re full on trolling.
M4A3E2 Jumbo has no armor, see, just shoot MG port!!!
To ignore list you go.
The entire obvious point was (as the context was me showing how Pz OV has bigger frontal weakspots than everyone else on top of inability to angle, utilise terrain angle etc.) KV-1 can just “shoot Pz IV in the turret”, it doesn’t work so simply the other way around.
ROFLMAO, now that’s golden. “But, but, you can reload for HE and shoot again”.
Yeah, vs M10 that literally sits there and takes your shots, haha, hilarious.
People don’t run around with HE loaded.
Thanks to bushes, people don’t even know it’s M10 firing at them.
And vs Pz IV you don’t have to reload anything. Just shoot the turret or glacis, 2 huge targets. Sides are also fun.
M10 is slightly more vulnerable to CAS than German tanks, as it can be killed with M-geschoss. But I slaughter German tanks with .50 cals, so there’s that. And best German fighter around 3.3 has either no ammo or 15mm pew-pew gun. Me-410 is fun, but it’s huge and unwieldly.
Ciao
You can’t penetrate 75mm at 24°?
Incredible. I do that with my Chaffee which you’ve complained so much about, but you can’t do it with a Pz.IV.
Sorry, inability to utilize terrain angle?
Pz.IVs have 10 degrees of gun depression. This is literally the gold standard for depression angles.
I’m happy to go onto your ignore list if this is the crap you say.
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