8 to 7 . In turret rotation the Sherman is faster than Tiger 17.9º vs 12º.
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Oh you are correct. Thanks for pointing that out.
Actually that would make it 7 - 7 plus a tie.
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M4A2 vs Chi-to
Armor - front = chi-to
Armor - side = M4
Armor - turret = M4
Gun - Penn main ammo = chi-to
Gun Penn Flat = chi-to
Gun - Damage = tie
Gun - Rotation = M4
Gun - Depression = M4
Gun - Reload = M4
Gun - Optics = chi-to
Gun Stab = M4
Secondary Arm = M4
Move HP/T ratio = chi-to
Move Top Speed = M4
Move Rev = chi-to
Summing above…
Tie = 1
Chi-to = 6
M4A2 = 8
Omg m4a2 is op chi-to should be 4.0 and m4a2 4.7.
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What does that have to do with Germany?
You seem desperate now. Go take a break.
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Why does it matter? We should use ur scale only if it effects germany? Lmfao
Nah I just hate bad faith arguments.
These stats are from long time ago, when pz4 was 4.7 and not 3.7, when tiger h1 was my first rank 3 tank and i was not that good at the game, i havent touched the german tier 2 and 3 except for my kv1b for a very long time, just gonna come back here in few weeks just to show everyone here this is pure player skill issue
Tiger H1 is a struggle bus, basically entirely on behalf of S-mine launchers.
Unfortunately only pay2win Tiger Hs are good. And they are very good indeed, just kinda lacking a mobile tank in the lineup.
Maybe its just me, but Germany is getting steamrolled as of now. Most likely due to the Maus skewing their results and giving an overinflated internal statistic. Ever since this new event, there has been a very clear switch against Germany. If they’re on your team, youre going to lose. If they aren’t, then youre going to win. If this isnt some form of SBMM I dont know what is. Its very very VERY clear Germany had been doing a little too well recently and now they are forcibly losing. Not once in the past 2 days have I played a game and German team won regardless of who’s side they are on. Its a promise you will lose as of now.
Others who I know playing the Maus at 7.7 have been getting destroyed game after game to the point of rage inducement. Im playing 9.3 America right now and the Germans lose every. single. game.
Im positive this correlation will continue until Gaijin feels like Germany is back to where they want in terms of W/L ratio.
Sadly this can and does apply to any nation thats overperforming and they purposely get destroyed until its back to ‘normal’ W/L. Its blatant and happens all the time. This is what happens when you try to make your game as balanced as possible when IRL there are natural unbalancing to the vehicles. Ignoring the BRs and copy paste vehicles, some vehicles will just be better in some ways. I’d even argue its a more engaging gameplay to work around weaknesses and strengths instead of a bland ‘netrual’ odds of winning/losing.
Just shows it doesnt matter how good your team is playing. You lose anyways.
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The topic was GERMANY and I showed you a COMPARABLE tank in the BR range for why the Panzer 4 should not be 4.7 TODAY.
Then you start showing me a comparison of two vehicles, neither of which is the Pz 4…
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I would honestly be impressed if gaijin had an army of bad players they send to nations they want to lose.
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Happens every year. Bunch of players get access to Maus and then proceed to use it with an inappropriate lineup or they bring the Maus on maps that really need the Pz2000 more. You know when the 6.7-7.0s have to carry the 7.7s that something is wrong.
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That’s a poor flank on your part. You flank on maps where you’re guaranteed to have an impact, such as:
“Oh oh oh, he’s posting those unobtainable busted vehicles againnnn”. That’s just what I’ve been playing. You can access that flank just fine in tech-tree vehicles, like Auren did with his 6.7 Germany in that video.
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Absolutely. Its a cycle at the same time every year and it feels like every nation has its time of the year where they perform the worst out of every nation for a couple weeks to a couple months.
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Bot Nation!
I’ve noticed this when playing Britain/USSR 9.0 (Chieftain 400 / BTR-82A were just added). The German teams are just frustrating. Last night I was uptiered into 9.7, and Allied CAS were doing successful low flying CAS runs, while the 3 Begleitpanzer 57 on the team wouldn’t even load HE-VT and deal with them. So damn frustrating. Germany is absolutely stacked at 9.3-9.7, there’s no excuses for them falling apart like they are. Gaijin even gave them a T-72 and they still lose.
Anyways, this is a WW2 focussed topic. But it does highlight the playerbase issues impacting Germany.
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you know the armor on the m4 is better, sure on paper the m4 is worse but thats not including the angled bit, case in point the average of the m4a2 armour profile is about 90mm, the chi-to early (and not the late) is 78… its also set back at 20° where as the shermans armour is set back at 45°, meaning a shell will have a lot harder time going through the sherman, than the chi-to, also the sherman optic is better because a fix 6x is pretty detrimental, i mean its better than the sherman at sniping, but in close range fights that fixed sight makes aiming quickly very hard.
it is partly skill but mostly because of the tank.
the panzer 4h and j are armoured tds, theyre slow, sluggish and their armour is average. its ONLY positive is a powerful gun, yes it can still be used at 4.7 we have multiple tanks at this br that can make use of that gun, the problem is that the 4h is slow god damn slow and big, it cant really do much outside of knowing every map. making the tank a very skill dependent tank.
But I’m not. You can still flank nicely with non removed vehicles.
You can flank in a Tiger II:
With some patience, you can flank in a Jagdtiger:
You can flank in a Panther F:
And in a Tiger E:
And in a Jagdpanther (this is SB):
And again in a Tiger II, even on your second spawn:
You can spend almost the whole match hitting people broadside:
Even in very close quarters:
If the enemy team is blind, you can even camp and flank them at the same time:
It can be done. As someone would say, “we have the technology”.
YEAH AND I USED THE SAME TANK THAT YOUUUUUUUU USED TO COMPARE THE PANZER 4 TO THE M4 AND COMPARED THE M4 TO THE CHI-TO WHICH IS A 4.7 BR TANK AND SHOWED YOU THAT YOUR OWN CHART SAYS THAT THE CHI-TO SHOULD ALSO BE 3.7 BECAUE THE M4 BEATS IT IN THAT CHART.
Some how the Japanese player base has no problem using the chi-to which is a worse version of panzer 4 h/g and be successful with it in the BR that the panzer 4 use to be and you are sitting here with a straight face telling me Sherman M4 is better than the panzer 4, Germany bad, I just played 7 matches of Germany in tiger H1, within 3 minutes my entire team died in 5 of the matches and somehow i was still able to have positive KD, in 3 of the matches I was the only person going for the flag A or C with 0 support everyone went to mid and died lol, are you really going to sit here with straight face and tell me the reason why Germany has an issue at any BR lower than 8.0 it isnt a player base problem?