I enjoy a good camp, too, and it can sometimes be anything but boring depending on what is going on and what you’re shooting at (and what’s shooting at you). Like these games where I camped my way to nukes:
So yeah, you’re right, I’ve just never seen someone say that flanking can be boring before. I just find camping less likely to get my heart racing than a risky flank, lol. Though, some of the teams we’ve had, my heart is racing either from the enemy or the team we’ve been given.
Yeah but they have mobility and trolly armor, and a cannon on top to take out your gun in cqc if you both shoot and not kill each other
Yeah you know the difference of facing maximum 3 to 4 IS4s vs 16 IS4 is every match?
Are you suggesting the Panzer 4 H should actually be BR 4.7?
Many suggest the M4A2 is better than the Panzer 4 and yet it sits at 4.0.
Yup you are on top, but its a pike of feces underneath, so there isnt any joy in it, its the same as russian 10.3 10.7, some of the strongest tanks, with the worst player base
Vehicles with crappy vertical gun guidance like the SU 85M are pretty map dependent. Doesn’t get any worse than -3, so that drags it down the BR scale somewhat.
And it’s not like the thing is immune frontally. Besides the cupola, there’s the drivers hatch, surprisingly the upper portion of the gun mantlet can be penned by the tanks listed below, and also the front plate left of the spare track. (all checked via protection analysis)
Also, having no turret and modest side armor also drags it down.
M36 (any version)
PT 76
Ch To Late
Object 211
VK 3002 (and anything using same gun)
M4A4 SA50
Sherman Firefly
ARL-44
And I’d guess all the new derp gun howitzers can one-tap it
That has to be a joke, mozzel velocity of 775ms vs 618ms, 40mm of better pen at any range, and smaller profile aka easier to hide, I had no idea they lowered the pz4s into 3.7 from 4.7, bahhahahahahah player base has gone to feces indeed, man i remember when all the kv and IS1 players use to sweat the moment they saw germans on the enemy team
Yeah it’s not funny when a third of the kills on one side are from a guy playing a 4.3 AMX-13 FL11 in a full uptier 6.7-7.7 battle.
I always thought the chi-to late, pz 4 H, turan III, and t-34 57 should be at 4.3. there overall similar proforming tanks.
Current maps with reduced map size, mostly overcrowded with clutter, hidden corners, additional trees and removed or inaccessible long range spots don’t really favor German tanks.
Over the years maps became more and more toxic for certain tank types. Then some crucial nerfs here and there ('ballistic update f.e., which crippled Wirbelwind and gun cas planes, alot speed and mobility nerfs) and German winrate crumbled to alltime lows.
So you are saying maps are smaller, most trees are gone and only thing you need to look out for are corners… so enemies cant flank you, enemies have to come to you or you to them, so germans that have the best frontal armor until 7.7 where russia does is struggling now? Right.
Its not like you have Ferdinand, jagdtiger, tiger 2, all immune to frontal damage from conventional rounds (except the tiger 2 turret that you can easily wiggle if you miss your shot) are having hard time lol, only thing that is in the same br that has better armor is T34 with 15 second reload lmfao. You are just proving my point
As a veteran player you should know that vehicle BR assignments are based on the sum of the vehicle, not just it’s best qualities.
Let’s do a more comprehensive comparison of the M4A2 vs Pz4 H…
Armor - front = tie
Armor - side = similar but nod goes to M4
Armor - turret = M4
Gun - Penn main ammo = Pz 4
Gun Penn Flat = Pz 4
Gun - Damage = M4
Gun - Rotation = M4
Gun - Depression = Tie
Gun - Reload = M4
Gun - Optics = Tie
Gun Stab = M4
Secondary Arm = M4
Move HP/T ratio = M4
Move Top Speed = M4
Move Rev = close but nod to Pz 4
Summing above…
Tie = 3
Pz 4H = 3
M4A2 = 9
The two vehicles are not night-and-day as you suggest, and are played differently based on their strengths.
I drive around the enemy, then it ruens out 90% of the map is useless with no sightlines and nobody goes there.
“Flanking” by going right at the enemy is not flanking, it’s called beong lucky.
In WT investing your time to take a longer route means you basically can drive all the way to enemy spawn and achieve nothing.
Instead just shoot 1 guy, spawn a plane and remove several tanks.
This is basically the problem of WT map design. A few hot areas and a whole lot of absolutely nothing.
Oh look, guy is playing super-busted vehicle nobody else can get. Wow, nice.
Yeah your right, Every machine is a smoke machine if you operate it wrong enough.
This is the same reason why zeros are so high in BR average air RB player has room temp IQ and turn fights everything they see, so a garbage tier zero that gets out classed by spitfires, bf109, fw190, p51, f4u, f8f gets to sit in a br that it shouldnt, and still kill these room temp iq players, zeros cant climb, zero have no speed, it can just turn, so you boom and zoom it and it has no way of defending against this.
But yes if we use your scale, we can still say that the new german players are terrible at the game, since the older german player base had to use the same vehicles and face much stronger opponents and still have better win rate, so the issue still is on the player side no matter how much people say germany suffers
Tiger h1 vs m4a3 76w
Armor - front = tiger
Armor - side = tiger
Armor - turret = tiger
Gun - Penn main ammo = tiger
Gun Penn Flat = tiger
Gun - Damage = tiger
Gun - Rotation = tiger
Gun - Depression = 76
Gun - Reload = 76
Gun - Optics = Tie
Gun Stab = 76
Secondary Arm = 76
Move HP/T ratio = 76
Move Top Speed = tiger
Tie=1
Tiger=8
76=5
Why are they the same BR???
You compare a heavy tank to a medium tank.
The mobility and reaction times differences are huge.
Also completely irrelevant as the Tiger is never going to reach that top speed.
sherman gets up to speed way faster than a tiger 2 the 1 might keep up but i feel it still be lacking behind
So are you implying that the tiger h1 is not a better tank? Its on par with the sherman 76w?
I compared apples to apples (medium to medium) and your response is to compare apples to oranges (medium to heavy). Interesting…
To answer your question, they are same BR because…