its as skill issue related as can be. M10 is hugely overrated as easilly stomped with 75mm HE in any spot but center of the UFP. I myself even got oneshotted with 75mm HEATs that hit the gun, the track and TANK THAT WAS NEAR MY M10. The Panzer 4 can whistand such shots, and some APHE shots aswell. THe Chi-Nu 2 is the best example of german skill issue - the same as Panzer 4 F2 with slightly better cannon, it sits at 4.3 whereas better panzer 4s sit 4.0. Thats ridiculous to imply that german techs are somewhat less powerful than US or USSR on the WW2 field.
Source: It came to me in a dream.
The M36 is more flexible, but that combination of low profile and crazy good gun for the tier give the Waffentrager advantages that nothing else can match.
Turret slightly angled? Bounce. Hit the overlapping mantlet? Bounce. T-34E? Volumetric and bounced.
As for Russian counters to the Sherman, the T-34s and KV-1s can beat all but the M4A2 at 4.0 by aiming for the weakspots (The M4A2 can be taken out through the machine gun port, but that’s not an easy shot). There’s also the SU-152, SU-85, ASU-57 and KV-2 for Sherman killing potential. Also the YaG, but I won’t count that one fully for obvious reasons.
2.2 is hardly sensational, I wasn’t trying to impy that it was, just that the tank is nowhere near “one of the worst vehicles in game” like you seem to suggest.
It’s also an interesting opinon to hold of a vehicle you’ve never played before.
Didn’t they fix it?
Of course not, you expect too much.
What Gaijin did is that instead of having plates of armor that instantly shatter your APDS, there’s math behind it where every plate the APDS passes through basically reduces the residual penetration further, the exact value depending on armor thickness and the APDS generation.
And since this affects the residual penetration of the round itself and not the actual equivalent thickness of the plate, it leads to a lot of people being confused in protection analysis as to why their APDS can’t penetrate XYZ target even though the penetration number is way higher than the equivalent thickness of armor.
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thy te Waffentragger is 5.7 and the m36 is 5.3. Tho i myself would pick a M36 instead of Tragger as it provides more active gameplay
use your perfect weapon properly and not get dunked by arriving shermans and 34-85s :/
What a joke.
Germans are DESIGNED to UNLOCK the map if they somehow get later for battle than them Shermans. They easilly push the frontline with tigers and panthers, all of which are in any way more suitable for CQC than 34s, and their armor and cannon capabilities with the stabilization that comes from their chassis design let them land first shots in many cases. If anything, its the US techs that teach players to camp, as their stab works within 20kmh and the best Sherman can do is use that to quickscope enemies. As its practically useless against heavilly armored techs of germany on all distances.
This topic isn’t to be taken that seriously. The obvious answer to OPs question was all about the players that Germany attracts. There is nothing wrong with the vehicles they have access to.
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there may be something wrong, however in most cases you can easilly say that their vehicles are not just balanced but straight up better than competitors, and the way germans choose to play that techs is basically the reason why “germany main” is practically a slur in WT Community.
I personally saw the
and already understood that the guy plays literal best vehicles at that BRs and still manages to say that they underperform, he just cant come around less OP machinery at all
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Yeah, I certainly encourage anyone who thinks of themselves as a main to any nation in this game to go and take the time to play other trees in this game. Especially minor nations. It really gives you perspective on the challenges each tree faces, and also how good each tree actually has it.
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fr. Go play the Chi-Nu at 3.3 and after that try to say that panzer 4f2 is underperforming.
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M36 penetrates basically same things WT does, but it has over 2 times better power to weight and some actual armor and better gun depression and like 2-3 times better turret rotation.
WT is an extremely sad vehicle that’s only good at camping at the back, problem is, VK3002 can do that too, only better in most cases.
Your very mediocre K/D achieved by camping in some spot in a paper immobile vehicle is hardly a recommendation, as German teams have already plenty of ways to do that and they lose exactly because they do that (not like they have much choice when the entire map is locked down by much faster US vehicles, including said M36).
No its not. It does not penetrate Tiger 2 frontally, it does not penetrate T26E1 frontally. Its not point-and-click as waffentragger.
i mean your very mediocre 1kd for 10 games with m36 and 0 kills with 1 game on waffentragger also does not put you into position to call m36 better than waffentrager. if anything, i have better, close to 2 kd ratio on both of them, if you want to go that way. So its just you practically being useless if not using an OP machinery.
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The 5.3 M36 has M82 APHE, which struggles with too many heavily armored targets to list. You also have the one decent APCR round, but this is very inaccurate at range and has inconsistent post pen damage.
The 5.7 M36s have HEATFS, which is basically a more accurate APCR shot with more consisten post pen damage, but it’s still a far cry from APHE or even solid shot.
Meanwhile, the long 88 can punch through every target it can meet, with a very comfortable amount of HE filler to boot. It’s just a lovely gun to use.
Comparatively, the VK is much larger and more conspicuous, which combined with the low post pen damage on the long 75 and it’s complete absence of a reverse gear, means it’s not nearly as good at sneaky TD stuff.
Because nothing says “Ineffectually camping at the back to pad my stats” like a 61% win rate.
I am and will remain a France main. Don’t care about other nations because I just have fun playing france and like the playstyle the vehicles facilitate.
I once thought i wil never get higher than WW2 and will never move from germany. And look at me now, i almost researched a top tier tank for every nation. Maybe its just the personalities, but i strongly believe that everyone will once become bored if plays the same techs over and over again :3
Oh I do switch lineups and BRs but I pretty much never play anything but france. Even when playing with friends I stick to playing France. Even if there is no lineup at the BR we choose.
I somwtimes play 4.3 USSR just because my friend really likes it and France does not have a viable 4.3 or 4.0 lineup and that’s pretty much it.
still, its a limited option so i believe once you`ll also fell what i mean)
I focus on lineups rather than nations.
USSR 9.0
Britain 8.3
France 5.0 7.7
Germany 7.0
China 9.0, etc.
Maybe it’s because I’m Aussie and I don’t have any nationalistic tie to any nation in this game. This isn’t some geopolitical exercise for me, I just go to where the fun is.
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i mostly do tanks that i like for looks first, and the effective ones or the mediocre looking ones after.
Lineups are also a thing tho i usually build them around one specific vehicle. For example, the US 8.0 is build to play Sheridan, the USSR 4.3 is to smack child grind silver with t-34E and KV-1E + KV-7, the 6.3 US is build around Super Hellcat, french 7.0 is ment to use AMX-13, ect.
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