Why is Germany doing so bad - quick overview of WW2 BR range

I don’t have any of those. I tried getting a lineup for the obj-279 but I just don’t have fun playing USSR at 8.0. So I stopped.

Well I don’t have any ties either. Even less than you since at least there are australian vehicles in game.

I’ve not yet encountered something that France does not offer and I wanted to play.

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You can squad up or be some absolute genius of WT.
But even “genius of WT” can fail at recognising the vehicle objectively sucks.
And such is the case of extremely slow, sluggish and vulnerable Waffentrager.

Also 61% WR in Ground RB 5.7 Germany (it’s like what, 50% better than average of about 40%?) and 2,2K/D does NOT compute, unless you are wiping out enemy teams with other vehicles. Which proves only that…

Waffentrager sucks

Back when Statshark still had the Live Viewer, the Ic was #7 in its entire rank (not BR, rank) during the month of August, while the Italian Pz IV was #71. Still way ahead of the Pz IVs in the German tree, but a literal order of magnitude between them in performance. That’s what I had primarily in mind when writing that comment.

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Is this a joke? German 88 has enough filler to nuke the inside of almost everything.

Mind you, Italian Pz IV has M4 teammates and this alone makes it more viable, because you spawn it when map/situation calls for it, while German player has to spawn Pz IV because the alternatives are usually worse.

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Since when exactly does Panther have 88, outside of Panther II which is not available for mere mortals?
Dude, what’s your problem?

I thought you were talking about P2, relax. I don’t sit here all day keeping track of which of the 3 people are replying to me

WHAT???

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As someone who played this game as a Japanese Main. I always and will continue to have a unique perspective, as I started this game on May 30th, 2017, to now seeing Japan get heavily neglected when it comes to many different departments in terms of WW2 content(Naval does not count cause I could give a flying crap about them as it’s not what the majority of Japan mains care for. Not to say we don’t it’s just not our primary focus, cause the IJA and IJN both had good navies for their respective factions.

However, Germany has a lot of equipment that I could dream of, and yet people complain it isn’t good.
When comparing Tank Destroyers, they are still better than most Japan in its state could provide; however are forced into odd positions due to the layouts of the maps as well as odd modelling defects due to how they were modelled in-game or due to their battle ranking being slightly higher than it should.

Panzer IVs are better in the penetration power, but the drop is worse compared to their Japanese counterparts(Type-3 Chi-Nu and Type-4 Chi-To).

German Anti-Air is still vastly superior, excluding their early vehicles, which, in my honest opinion, are inferior to Japanese SPAA.

Overall all German ground forces are incredibly useful but at times can be rigid and not as flexible as some people would like to hope due to their battle rankings being rather higher than they should be or due to their size being more of a liability than should benefit.

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Agreed. Ngl idk why people think the pz IVs are good. I’m pretty sure my most played WW2 tanks are the M4A2 and M24, and I find both to be far better than the PZ IVs. Although not comparable, in the old 3.7 swedish lineup the sherman was for sure the strongest of the bunch(it, IV J, T-34 41) and among them I have far better stats in the sherman than any of the other 3.7s.

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Same reason people like the M10./

I like the M10. One of my favorites.

You just point and click people out of the match at 3.3 and now they even buffed the RoF to 5.0, which is insane for how strong the gun is.

It’s obviously not a medium tank but for its role it’s incredibly strong and perfectly viable in higher BRs till you get the M36.

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Germany is doing bad? I have a 45% win rate in the 5.7-6.7 bracket because late war Germany just stomps everything. It’s genuinely unfair how many good tanks they can spawn when most nations get 2-3 if they’re lucky.

Where are these struggling German teams when I play? Playing against germany in this bracket genuinely makes me consider quitting the game.

I dont know in what pararell world are you playing but since 2 years ago Germany between 4.0 to 8.0 is around 40% win ratio.
For example i near reach 80% win ratio witht he T26E5. Menawhile my Tiger 2 sla or 10,5 cm are close to 30%.

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Because is german. In this forum people for several reason tend to exagerate,overreact or directly lie about german tanks perform.

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When can I get your teams? My most played tank in the 5.7-6.7 range is the Centurion Mk.1 with a 47% win rate, facing germany almost every game. I have 67 deaths to 181 kills in it. Next is the Japanese M36 with a 47% win rate, and the Strv 74 with 46%.

I’m on a new account because i switched from Xbox to Playstation, I used to main Germany and remember the teams being bad (this was around 4-5 years ago) but that has not been my experience since returning a few months ago.

If we are all losing, who the hell is getting all these wins? Premium players?

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I dont know???
I stoped UK aroud 5.3. Sweden in 3.7 and im not interest for the moment for Japan. But at the least USA and Soviets are dominating 5.7/6.7 since few years ago.

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I gotta be honest here, 4.3 german line up is just disgusting to face against, kv1b, hetzer, jagdpanzer, but i get most people dont have the kv1b, also the 3.3 german pz 4 are the deadliest tanks for their br, they are snipers tho not brawlers, if you are coming up to a sherman and both of you are moving than you have already made a mistake, its like trying to dogfight a zero with bf109 instead of boom and zooming, different tactics, different game play.

Elephant in the room now, german 5.7 is the strongest line up, tiger h1 (my favorite tank of all time) just owns everyone, i have multiple games of stumping other 5.7 with 8 to 10 kills and 0 deaths, and the panther is the same thing as panzer 4 man, its a sniper not a brawler, you sit back you snipe, there is also the fact the 5.7 rarely ever gets uptiered to 6.7, most of the times its down tier, I suggest you skip the 6.0 germany and just grind for the king tigers, which also are the best 6.7 tanks(if they dont get clapped by the 7.7) but just keep in my mind the game play of germany is sniping and not getting flanked all the way to 8.0, where you get leo and just return the favor of flanking to all other nations.

9.3 germany is also good because you get thermals, good mobility and good armor with kpz (best 9.3 tank) you just have to pray to rng jesus to get open maps with flanking options when you play it.

Now the actual problem with germany in ww2 is bad players, im sorry but this is 100% fact. Germany just has people who think oh legendary tank, must be the best tank, tiger so scary, yeah man but game is balanced and not historical, because if the game was historical we would have 0 german players, do you really want to face entire teams of kv1, t34s in your panzer 3? Didnt think so lol.

I love my sherman 75, (and yeah i got the war daddy’s inscription on them) but you compare that to the tiger or the panther? There is no way in hell these tanks should be at the same br, tiger with the same mobility, better fire power and better armor, not even close. If the entire german team was competent they would stomp match making and the tiger 1 br would quickly rise to 6.3.

I would like to remind everyone back in the day tiger 2 players were so cracked they would face multiple teams of IS3, IS4 and t54 and own the entire soviet teams, i still remember those people crying about it saying how tiger 105 is op lol.

Jagtiger, tiger 105, panther 2, were all the same br as is4, and t54 models and now look at the brs they are in lol. Germany suffers is just a skill issue on the player base that doesnt want to play to the strength of their vehicles.

Literally the same people who play us props and dogfight zeroes are the same people who play german ww2 lol, and no im not trolling this is just how i see the player base, (also the same bad players play premium 12 abrams and ruin the entire american match making)

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Thats just one demo screencap why German teams often fail. Its all about the speed of non German teams. This one was a 5.7 to 6.7 BR bracket. We just left our spawn base with in Tiger tanks. And just outside the spawn protection was a M18, ready, fully set up in this ruined bulding and almost killed the Tiger II. I didn’t spotted this M18 guy before he shot the Tiger. Pure luck this went on without casualties. I mean we just left the spawn at matchstart, expecting a clean map… at least for a certains distance. But there are lights wich are insanely fast. German teams just can’t cope with this. They were everywhere bunkered down, ambushing one after another.

You wan’t Germany less bad? I guess then its about time to think what to do with all these ludicrous speed cars. And yes…also map design. Full of clutter and corners, promoting ambush gameplay and making heavy mediums (Panthers…) and heavies a nightmare to play.

I remember the Maus beeing removed for impossible to balance. But isn’t such a super fast vehicle an issue as well? Especially when its about caps? Sometimes these are spawned at top tier matches, they even overtake M1 Abrams tanks…

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