Yeah, if you think R-60M and AIM-9L are the same.
I don’t know why you ignore range difference but focus on all aspects.
I am telling you that then it will be meaningless to get AIM-9L because it will get flared anyway.
as a hyperbolic take.
Sir, do you think that I really want to buff F1C to 11.3?
and, F-5A(G) has 2. not 4.
How are they not?
Ok? 9Ls don’t show up on a fighter jet until 12.0.* That fighter jet is strictly worse than the F-4S in almost every metric. See the problem?
*After writing this I realize the new F-5A(G) has 9Ls lower but it’s also a F-5A… the rest of the 9L carriers are 12.0+
My guy how in the world All-aspect 30g r60m are barely on par with rear-aspect 18g aim-9G\H
R-24R are better than f7s and this “worse radar” is far more reliable at locking targets and maintaining that said lock
because the aim-9g/h are so much better at rear aspect shots that it makes up for the lack of front aspect ability… front aspect is rarely worth exploring with IR missiles to begin with
G-load isn’t anywhere close to everything.
R-60M is a 1.5km range missile vs the 2.2 of AIM-9G.
R-60M has a no-escape range of 400 meters. AIM-9G’s no escape range is closer to 1km.
R-24Rs have worse range, are fired using a significantly worse radar, and at best on-par maneuverability.
R-24Rs are not and have never been superior to AIM-7Fs, let alone on-par. AIM-7F was THE MOST powercreep War Thunder ever saw in a single missile addition.
how in the world long-ranged all-aspect AIM-9L are barely on par with short-ranged R-60M.
:|
R24R is way more reliable and faster than aim7f that loves changing it’s direction to nowhere instead of the locked enemy, and this “much worse radar” somehow is able to lock better and keep said lock better and also has IRST and it’s fired using a better platform overall
Being able to front/side-aspect from 1.5km>trying to get in the rear-aspect using f4j
being able to fire front-aspect>rear-aspect only simple as
Reliability is launch parameters, and claiming a radar missile is more reliable is admitting you fail to understand the launch parameters of other missiles.
You know how many AIM-7s have changed direction on me? None, because I exclusively launch them within their launch parameters.
Sikret knowledge that only you know okay, understandable have a great night in your la-la land
Secret knowledge? Fighter pilots as well as us video game players have been extremely open about missile launch parameters.
There are hundreds of videos online from fighter pilots speaking, to DCS players, to War Thunder players all talking about launch parameters.
You should probably start using more modes of the radar than just HDN PD… the radar of the mig 23 is worse. Specially since the only lock down mode is capped at 1500m and quite often you wont be able to look enemies to begin at those altitudes since you need to stay above them. And at high atitude where the CW does all the job it is not different than using the SRC mode of the f4j/s or even the non LD/SD radar like on the f8f or an f4e for example.
it doesn’t matter in most cases at all. for Christ’s sake.
For example,
Jaguar IS has a pair of R.550 magic 2, which is one of the top-notch IR missiles in this game.
it has IRCCM
it has 35G
with All-aspect seeker. fancy. init?
But, if you lock the enemy in your front, shoot it because you trust your IRCCM.
Enemy will just flare it with one or two pops of flare.
Yes. being all-aspect is a fancy feature.
But if you claim AIM-9L and R-60M are ‘same missile’ because of that.
While ignores all of the difference between the other features
It is one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen in this forum.
You claimed that I should stop calling you US main because you disagree with me. right?
After all this charade, I think I need to change my mind.
You are no different than ‘bad US main’ who don’t care about balancing but only want to bias and buff US plane.
You want to buff F-4J because it acts worse than F-4S
(it is not enough in this current compressed situation)
And bringing features of MiG-23ML as only example for support your claim
while ignoring all other planes in 8 another nation, which makes you look like obsessed with soviet.
I explained why your claim is wrong, but you don’t listen to every single thing, but want buff on F-4J.
I am terribly sorry but it seems arguing with you further might be a waste of time because things are circling like a merry-go-round.
Enjoy this lovely moonlight at dawn and have a nice day sir.
my brother in christ game profiles are open in WT so you can look anyone up to see who’s playing what
Also i didn’t bring mig23ML at all i was always speaking of MLD because it’s the closest competitor that is not another phantom and because i played them both
You didn’t get my meaning. I don’t like that the 12.3 F-16A can face 11.3, but I am flying a F-4E for example, id rather face F-16A than any of the following:
F1C at 12.0
Mig21 bison at 12.3 (insane putting an r-73 + r-27r slinger at 12.3 on a fast platform with excellent avionics)
F-4S/J at 12.0
Mig23MLD/MLA at 11.7
M2000 s4 at 12.3
What I’m saying is that the F-16A doesn’t have much impact on a match, unless your team is completely blind and dies to a F-16A flying above them spamming aim9L’s.
The only thing the F-16A has going for it is the flight model and the gun, the only suitable playstyle is ratting above the enemy to launch aim9L from above at isolated targets that aren’t aware of you, if you attack a group of enemies you might get a few kills if they are blind but everyone else will be alerted of your presence and spam missiles at you. That’s too many variables, and you are relying on dumb enemies on top of that.
All the other jets I mentioned have at least 2 reliable missiles.
does not make sense to me, I play for wins and long term victories. Having “untouchable” jets on the enemy team I might not be able to deal with means that I can’t clutch out a game if my teammates die
untouchable? lol
Yes? F-16 not flown by forest gump will not be touched by any 11.3 save for maybe J-7E and that would require at least an equally skilled J-7E pilot. 11.7s can’t do anything to it either.
Well obviously, thats a full downtier. I though you were talking about jets around 12.0
the f4S is the same airframe as the f4J only difference it might have is the f4s maybe getting agile eagle slats and aim 9H instead of the G’s