Ngl the f4s/j could be fine at 12.0 if given their flare pods (non bol)
And the f4junk given its 9Ls
All but the F-4junk are fine at 12.0 now, it sucks that F-4J shares a BR with F-4S but thats compression, F-4S is arguably the best 12.0 as it is
the f4j/s are fine until you get a rear aspect missile lanuched at you, mostly bc your flares fire in a dumb way (really, i have killed f4S with 9Ds bc they are unable to flare them without doign some werid shit)
maybe an IRCCM missile? but you shouldnt face those often
No, i actually mean that the f4s is really almost unable to flare non irccm missiles, i have played with and against f4s/j a lot and i know that of the phantom is a s/j they wont flare my missile
That’s just false, it’s not that difficult at all.
If they don’t turn off their afterburner maybe.
anyway this is how the playerbase currently performs in the f4s and mig-23ml. I say it’s just a massive skill issue on US mains who buy into toptier but you can interpret the data however you like:
The f4j by the way, an objectively worse plane, performs significantly better at least in the kill ratios if not in winrate. British F4J however compares pretty closely to F4S kill ratios, but has a 4.5% higher winrate.
Meanwhile the british tech tree fgr sits at 0.81 kills per battle (0.8 for the fg.1), only surpassed by the EJ kai and F-4F KWS LV
Source for data: StatShark - See All Player, Missile, and Vehicle Statistics
Or just move the Mig-23s up. The issue isn’t F-4J being too weak, it’s the Mig-23s being too powerful.
no,thats just true, is very difficult at all
ah yes, mig23 somehow being too powerful after the radar was toned down and the flight model kinda bleeds its speed, meanwhile the f4j having a functional radar and RWR .3 higher with the second best SARH ingame currently and with HMD lololol and you have the audacity to complain that its too weak, crying until you get another undertiered jet, like the block 10 f16a at 12.3 is somehow balanced because it was “suffering” or something idk, this is just unbelievable levels of cope
I literally just said that the F-4J isn’t too weak. facepalm
regardless your cope about the mig23 being too powerful is not very reasonable
Underselling the Mig-23MLD is just as funny.
- LCMs where most have CMs
- All-aspect IRs where most have rear-aspect (on supersonic fighter)
- Best SARH at that BR range
- (R-24Ts are some of the best IR missiles for the BR range too if you dont want the SARH missiles)
- IRST
- Good handling/dogfight performance (does need manual wing sweep control these days from what i’ve heard)
Yes, i’ve heard the auto-swapping on the radar is an issue, but other than that. Its hard to work out why the Mig-23MLD is 11.7 vs an aircraft like the F4J at 12.0. Even more crazy when you look at SB where the Mig-23MLD is 11.3 vs the F4J at 12.0.
F-4J (US) vs Mig-23MLD is a reasonably fair fight (F-4J(UK) vs Mig-23MLD is definetly a fair fight). Especially when the SPO-10/15 RWRs got a fake buff so that they can detect PD radar locks
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F-4J/S don’t have huge difficulty flaring missiles tho
that would be… R-24R… lol, if you don’t count R-27R as separate from R-27ER that is. If you do, it’s R-27R as 2nd then R-24R as 3rd, AIM-7M/F are 4th lol
Not to mention it gets 72 CMs
They’re amazing too, R-60Ms are just nutty in head ons.
I actually prefer to take the 2x R-24Ts, combined with the very common downtiers and IRST it’s just nutty, you can go to Angels 25 and then smite people from above since they don’t get their RWR pinged and nobody expects a 9km IR missile shot.
You honestly don’t, since getting my new PC I haven’t even bothered setting them up.
Genuinely the only issue, which is null to me because I use R-24Ts
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what about AIM-7P?
Yep, I always forget it gets both LCMs and slightly more than the average which is 60.
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I am speaking before the upcoming update, I don’t really know where 7P would sit besides being better than 7F/7M
Looking at SARH overall (at all BRs) I’d probably place it joint second with the R-27R. Still will be much weaker than the R-27ER. But the IOG will place it above basically all others. It will outrange R-24Rs under most conditions.