A Full stabilized gun with Garbage shells…
That was always the Balacing factor with things like the Centurion Mk3, and Canarveon.
Now they just have no reason what so ever to exist.
The 20 pounders are STILL useless, and now they are fighting 8.7s.
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You look at me with a Straight face and tell me the Canarvon or Centurion Mk3 should be fighting 8.7s, with Ahistorical Ammo layouts, Ahistorical armor performance, ahistorical gun performance, Ahistorical reloads…
They were balanced around all of the Ahistorical factors at 6.7, Now they are 7.7 with no changes to the Ahistorical nature.
problem of uptiers is not unique to the 7.7 UK lineup.
The 7.7 UK lineup is great, perhaps you just havent used proper tactics?
If you think Caernarvon was balanced at 6.7 you have massive skill issue.
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So a Heavy… with Worse armor than the Tiger 2, worse Mobility than the Tiger 2 (atleast at the time it was at 6.7, since then the Tiger 2s have been nerfed to be about equal) And whos only benefit is a Stablizer that you can easily counter if you would LEARN how to slow down and coast, instead of just slamming on the brakes.
All the while it has a Ahistorical reload rate, a Ammo load out that shoves all of its Rounds in the front ammo rack that was for Long term stowage, and not the main rack rounds would be pulled from in combat once the ready rack was empty, Since you had to TURN THE TURRET 45 DEGREES TO EVEN GET TO THE ROUNDS, All the while its APDS performs like total garbage and can’t even pen T-54s at more than 500m away. While having absolute horrid accuracy.
Yall fixate on the Stalizers as if they were the Devil, when you fail to realize the Canarveon was a Mediocre tank at best, and the Stabilizer made it useable.
And this is even before i get into the Under-performance of the Centurion turrets when it comes to their armor, and Gaijins lack of understanding on how Cast armor works, and affects shells.
Im not going into ahistorical side of things. There are people that know more about that than me, and probably already made bug reports.
As such, im going to focus solely on game performance as it is now.
This is more often than not said by people that never expanded their vehicle experience beyond britain, which certainly seems to be the case with you. In a game where engagements are more often than not decided within the first shot, full stabilizer is a massive advantage against tank with no stablizers whatsoever.
okay, define some measurable metric how to know that tank is mediocore. would you say for example that getting nuke in mediocore tank is hard or impossible?
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Having multiple spgs and light tanks does not make a good lineup. Quantity over quality in this case… is bad.
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uhhh Huh… Yeah… Yes i play alot of british Vehicles, But of my top 15 most played vehicles, Only 4 of them are Stabilized.
my bad, had wrong filter turned on, lol.
still, define good tank, or one that isnt mediocore.
It’s classified as a heavy tank and is quite slow, but has the armor of a medium tank at best. Gun only has solid shot - a gun that is found on the BR 6.3 Charioteer. How the heck does the Canarveon, as a heavy tank, have less turret armor than the medium FV4202?
As others have said, the Canarveon is mediocre. Nothing about it says “special”.
A good tank is one that performs about the same as its Contemporary’s.
Which the Canarveon DID, when it was at 6.7, it didn’t overperform, Hell my max kill count in the thing at the time was like… 7 kills? Meanwhile in my Black prince its 21 kils, in a single life.
I have barely played the Canarveon since it went up,(like 10 matches in total) and the stats reflect its mediocrity. Negative KD, despite it Being “Overpowered” according to people. and a 47% win rate, because back then it always fought the Germans, and 6.7 Germany has always been Blatantly Overpowered.
I asked to define some measurable metric how to know that tank, not specifically caernarvon, is mediocore.
For example, would tank that can reach over 2.0 KD be mediocore?
A tank classified as medium, but with kit more reminicent of tank destroyers. 20 pndr at 6.3 is actually quite insane.
between Centurion and FV4202 turret, id much rather have Centurion one. FV4202 did nothing for me.
While it might be classified as heavy tank, its more like fatter centurion. Dont treat is as heavy tank and it will do good.
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I have better KD on my UK lineup than the american one, one that is direct contemporary to UK as it has 7.7/7.3 mediums as well as 7.7 heavy in form of M103, which was IRL contemporary to Conqueror if im not mistaken.
I played Caernarvon for the first time last week. Already got nuke with it (together with Conqueror).
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i vividly remember constantly getting one or two shot in my jagtiger lmao, poor ammo is bollocks. Apds damage was always underrated.
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That was before Gaijin nerfed APDS into the ground. It was atleast USEABLE back then. Now its just pathetic.
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Sherman’s fine, we are the nation they were ultimately designed for. Pershing’s is just stupid
Before the French were added it was fine. APDS damage was non-existent. Even the APCBC did as much damage as APDS now.
After the French were added it deservedly went up.
Because it is a medium tank. Gaijin just classified it wrong.
No? it was always a heavy tank? It was built effectively as a Test for British Infrastructure. They were tests to make sure they could actually handle using a Modern(at the time) Heavy Tank.
They also were partial stop gaps until the Conqureor’s turrets were ready, As most Canarveons(if not all) were rebuilt into Conqureors.
The Fv201, Which is the Canarveons predecesor was a Medium/Cruiser tank yes. But it still had stronger frontal armor than a Centurion, so i think calling it a Heavy is justified.
As for a 6.7 Medium, i have thought of a few British Options, things they could get. But alot of them are Paper tanks, a few Cruiser models, Like the Vickers Medium cruiser Mk1, But that’s basically just a Comet with a Sloped UFP, and a worse engine.
Id say its POSSIBLE to give them a early production Centurion Mk3…? Maybe with the stabilizer nerfed down to be Single plane style, where it cuts out above a certain speed (as British Stabs weren’t full fire on the move capable until the Chieftain Anyway) and Solid shot only? IDK im just spitballing here. Just something to give em a bit of a hand.