Why F104c is 9.7?! It should be lower!

You backed up your experience of dying avoidable deaths to the F-104 with statshark?

Sharing experiences is more credible than lying about stats.

That is a lie. I’ve never claimed to be a good player. I’ve claimed the F-104 is easy to fight.

You did not provide any proof or reasoning for your claim. Claims without evidence can be refuted without evidence.

Two completely unrelated topics. When Normandy asked for a source on my claim that the F-104’s fm nerf was ahistorical (something widely known already) I told him I’m not his personal google search.

I’m not gonna waste time teaching someone who’s willfully ignorant.

Simple projection here. Nothing else to add.

I supposed that’s technically true? I won’t deny it being relatively easy to cut into an F-104’s flightpath in my F-100. The C model is heavier than the A model but in gameplay its more or less within a 1% difference. There’s more difference between the F-100D and the F-100A than between the F-104C and the F-104A

“I told him I had no source and was making stuff up”

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Yes, such as? I’m waiting.

Which it is.

9.7, no flares
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Same engine, same missiles, same gun. Has flares. 10.3…
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Are you aware of the topic we’re in?

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What’s next?

You can attack me all you want, but for someone who claims “everyone backs my experience”, the majority of players in this thread alone has disagreed with your experience. Again, you can word salad all you want. It doesn’t prove anything without evidence. Not that your 0.5kd stats are worth justifying in place of evidence, anyways.

I’ll say it in case you missed it. If you have nothing to add but personal attacks feel free to leave the conversation. It’s tiring to engage with you acting in bad faith.

You can shout “statshark doesn’t mean anything” all you want. It remains the most used war thunder vehicle information tool outside of the wiki. Something like that is more trustworthy over an internet stranger.

Any supersonic aircraft?

Nah.

And?

try again buddy

And? So?

Would you care to point out any in particular or just more one-worded responses?

It is.

R-60s are worthless. But that’s still one step each.

F-4F and F-4F Early have the EXACT SAME MISSILES and are once again separated by one step.

All of them, pick at random

Nah

Haha what a ragebait

Literally one of the only examples in the entire game of this happening btw, regardless rockets aren’t flares

I match energy

Calling out your bs is not a personal attack. It’s very silly to complain about someone making a “personal attack” just because they didn’t go along with your lies.

Again, you’re just lying in a bad faith attempt to discredit and slander.

That’s a really crappy metric to go by, and I’m inclined to believe you’re intentionally using it cause you know it’s faulty. The opinions of players ingame are more valuable than some people complaining on a forum thread.

Again, more personal attacks in a bad faith attempt to discredit and slander.

Uncredible comment based on your previous lie. Nothing to comment.

I did not say that.

Is this all you’re capable of, just making up lies about others so you don’t have to listen to opposing opinions?

No one is questioning the validity of statshark here. I am questioning your interpretation of stats, and the assumptions you made knowing they were unfounded.

It is.

And how many other planes are the exact same but one gets flares?

Nah.

104C is faster than the F-6C’s wing rip speed. It is impossible to intercept unless he just gives you the kill.

The most obvious example of a plane being at a higher BR because of countermeasures is right under your noses lol. I present, the Mirage 3E
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This thing has the exact same kit as the 3C, with worse fm (the engine is better but the plane overall is much heavier, thus negating the engine benefits). The only thing it has over the 3C? An rwr and countermeasures.

france isn’t real (/s)

That’s a big gap.
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Nah.

I was referring to flares being a main reason for an uptier.

Yeah.

Yes it is. The F-104C does not turn at its max speed. It LOSES speed in turns. I know this is crazy to hear.

Which they are.

And you can turn, while remaining the entire time not just above the F-6C’s top speed, but also above his wing rip speed. And this is all assuming you don’t just climb away, which it can do better than the F-6C. This is one of the worst matchups for the 104C btw.

While doing 1 degree a second 2 minute turns, yes

And? So?

In your own words.

By the same metric, you’re just as untrustworthy, being another forum user.

2x combo

You can question and assume all you want. Free to make 10 more word salads. You still have failed to back up your claims other than anything but words. If my opinion are indeed trash, full of falsehoods and shouldn’t be taken seriously, you’re free to leave. I’m not forcing anyone to believe me. You claim others of lies and slander, and here you are, engaging in the so called lies and slander you accuse of others.

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So the F-104 pilot is eliminated from the game until you decide to stop chasing him, and things like other teammates or map borders will force him to turn

His main tactic is to call you bad until you inevitably come to the facts/logic based argument where you address his and your stats and then he calls moderators on you and pats himself on the back for another “won” internet argument.

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