Why exactly are the Chieftain's at 8.7? Either decompress the 7.7 to 9.7 BR range or decrease the Chieftain's (and any similarly suffering vehicles) BR to 8.3

[An_Pigeon]

@TheDudesRug

His only hope then was to try get a nuke or move his slow-ass out of the hull down position into a city that he had given us time to set up in. So yes, the whole hull down thing can be great to farm kills, but not always getting the win. If you actually take the time to set up in a position that denies vital (aka caps) territory, sure, but I guess not every map provides that hull down location you like at the exact location you want it.

I mean chieftains move at 48KMPH reliably so it’s not that slow, not like an M103 or something.

not every map has a hulldown location for the Mk10 or even the mk3/5 but they are still reliably strong tanks when used properly, methodically basically.

@TheDudesRug

China really brings the goods at this BR by giving its MBTs not only a roof mounted 12.7, but HE-VT rounds for the main gun.

ZTZ88A /B as well as the T69G II are some of my favourite tanks in the game, absolutely love when someone else actually values them for what they are.
the HEVT round as well absolutely slaps for jet or heli take downs.

@TheDudesRug

Edit: Just to reiterate, I do enjoy the Chieftain Mk10, but the mobility issues keep me from using it more often. If you like its style of play, I’m sure the mobility is less of an issue for you.

I fall under the bias of absolutely loving chieftains, I know it’s a slower vehicle, it just requires a more maticulous approach to the battlefield, some maps just suck for it right enough

[Jarms]

Sadly it’s been confirmed the Chieftain Mk 5 is the very first models to leave the factory, which means no LRF. Even if they were installed approximately 3 months later, and all new production tanks thereafter had this base.

[An_Pigeon]

@Jarms

Sadly it’s been confirmed the Chieftain Mk 5 is the very first models to leave the factory, which means no LRF.

Then they can add a designation folder it and give us oje with a lrf…
The bug report was accepted

[Jarms]

They closed it.

[An_Pigeon]

When??? Why close it after accepting it.

By all standards rhe our chieftain mk3 moves too fast its as if its a mk3/3, i think it was.

The mk10 has the L23 which is a false round snd accepted.

Shir2 has access to any form of dart which is a total joke as it was cancelled over a half decade before Britain designed one.

This is a joke

Edit
Also I’m not directing any of this at you! Apologies if it seems that way

[l2ulan]

First look is done by a Tech Mod, who passes it up the chain. If a Senior Tech Mod or Dev then refuses it, the Accepted gets removed and the report gets Not A Bug.

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Chieftain Mk 5 was the last factory-produced mark. It carried either the No 59 Mk 1 daysight, or the TLS No 1 Mk 1, so Gaijin has an option to deny the LRF for balancing.

Trouble is that both the No 59 Mk 1 and the TLS are 10x sights, and the Chieftain Mk 5 still has 7x-8x copied over from the Mk 3. The 7x is from the Gunner’s auxiliary sight, the No 70 Mk 2.

Report can be seen here; Chieftain Mk 5 incorrect gunner’s magnification

[An_Pigeon]

@l2ulan

ccepted gets removed and the report gets Not A Bug

Bit stupid that

@l2ulan

Chieftain Mk 5 was the last factory-produced mark. It carried either the No 59 Mk 1 daysight, or the TLS No 1 Mk 1, so Gaijin has an option to deny the LRF for balancing.

Im aware of that however then why does the SHIR2 have any access to an APFSDS round which didn’t exist until over 5 years after the program was cancelled.

@l2ulan

Trouble is that both the No 59 Mk 1 and the TLS are 10x sights, and the Chieftain Mk 5 still has 7x-8x copied over from the Mk 3. The 7x is from the Gunner’s auxiliary sight, the No 70 Mk 2.

The L15A5 is the same issue straight copy paste.

[Just_Baron]

@TheDudesRug

Disagree. Sure you can go hull down in Mk.10, but you’re not helping your team in the end. You can farm some kills but the initiative is with the enemy tanks that can actually move. It’s why I don’t enjoy using the Mk.10.

I was referring to the USH.

The Cheiftain Mk 10 is good because its Cold Brew mostly eliminates the HEAT and Dart issue. It also ditched APDS for relatively good APFSDS.

[TheDudesRug]

I took the MK.10 out since that post and it was more enjoyable than I remember. My intention was to spade the 900, but I only ended up taking the 900 out a few times and just playing the Mk.10, instead.

(I’d rather use a backup on the Mk.10 than bother with the 900)

Spoiler

Of course, the Mk.10 is 9.3 now, so you’ll have to let me know how it is right now. I’m playing other things.

[An_Pigeon]

The 900 to me now feels like junk man, it’s in a really ood spot.
Better just using the olifant mk2

[Milashny_Koteyka]

@Just_Baron

t also handles taking hits better than the Chieftain

it is in fact doesnt. It takes HEATs as much as chieftain.

@Just_Baron

IKV-91 is a better sniper than the Chieftain and easily outranges it

Is in fact not, as HEATF has very low velocity

@Just_Baron

The U-SH is a cancer that, alongside the Raketenautomat,

facts. Funny guy with funny armanment. Hard to notice, hard to survive the meeting. Idk about 9.0 but it certainly is one scary enemy.

@Just_Baron

At 8.7, many tanks trade their APDS for APFSDS

@Just_Baron

There are so many weak spots and massive armor gaps that you can reliably kill this vehicle.

only hull shots tho?
Tho i mostly agree that moving them 8.7 wasnt necessary. At 8.3 they were fine. They had some armor and some cannon.

[TheDudesRug]

@Milashny_Koteyka

facts. Funny guy with funny armanment.

Less scary when driving around in a nuclear bunker

[Just_Baron]

@Milashny_Koteyka

it is in fact doesnt. It takes HEATs as much as chieftain.

Properly quote something, please.

@Milashny_Koteyka

Is in fact not, as HEATF has very low velocity

It has a laser range finder, and I have played both vehicles. The IKV is a better sniper thanks to its mobility and overall kit.

@Milashny_Koteyka

facts. Funny guy with funny armanment. Hard to notice, hard to survive the meeting. Idk about 9.0 but it certainly is one scary enemy.

What does this even mean?

@Milashny_Koteyka

only hull shots tho?

Not only hull shots. The Cheeks are completely vulnerable to APFSDS and HEAT-FS because they’re just raw steel.

If this were an M60 or a T-55, it wouldn’t be a problem because those vehicles have mobility, but the Cheiftain often drives just barely faster than a Black Prince and is equally vulnerable. The vehicle’s mobility for its armor level just isn’t good.

At this point, I’ve just stopped using the Cheiftains 90% of the time and rely on the Rooikat and Vickers Mk.11

[An_Pigeon]

@Just_Baron

If this were an M60 or a T-55, it wouldn’t be a problem because those vehicles have mobility, but the Cheiftain often drives just barely faster than a Black Prince and is equally vulnerable.

Wtf do you mean barely faster than a BP the chieftain mk3 fors 49kmph and the mk5 48kmph.

They actively keep up with the likes of M60 but not so much T55.

The IKV is extemely situation aye it has mobility but it’s capabilities dwindle as soon as its not extremely long ranges.

The chieftains main boon lies in its 120mm cannon, combined with decently reliable armour at the BR.

[Just_Baron]

@An Pigeon

Wtf do you mean barely faster than a BP the chieftain mk3 fors 49kmph and the mk5 48kmph.

You do NOT hit that. Your average speed is only about 20-30kph off-road in battle conditions. I exaggerated only a tiny bit because, without those mobility upgrades, it genuinely is that slow. The Chieftain Mk3 has an abysmal 11.78 hp/t.

@An Pigeon

They actively keep up with the likes of M60 but not so much T55.

No, they do not. I’ve played more M60’s and T-54/55s in this game than 99% of the playerbase, as I have all the American, German, and Israeli ones. The M60 is significantly quicker to accelerate.

By the time the Chieftain Mk3 gets to 20kph, the M60 is already at 30kph.

Once again, this is because the Chieftain sits at an 11.78 hp/t while the M60 has 15.6 hp/t.

@An Pigeon

The IKV is extemely situation aye it has mobility but it’s capabilities dwindle as soon as its not extremely long ranges.

HEAT-FS can still reliably go through anything you see from 7.0 to 9.0. For the IKV, it’s just a matter of reaction time.

@An Pigeon

The chieftains main boon lies in its 120mm cannon, combined with decently reliable armour at the BR.

Don’t tell me you’re referring to the APDS slinging 120mm lol. The APDS is extremely inconsistent, and I’ve even had it shatter flat plates up to 3 times in a row. What’s worse is that nearly every other tank at 8.7 is using APFSDS with a Laser Range finder.

[An_Pigeon]

@Just_Baron

You do NOT hit that. Your average speed is only about 20-30kph off-road in battle conditions.

Sorry but that’s just not true, last time I was out with the mk3 whichw as about 5 days or so ago, it was hitting about 40kmph, not much more than that right enough, in the wet / muddy conditions.

@Just_Baron

without those mobility upgrades, it genuinely is that slow. The Chieftain Mk3 has an abysmal 11.78 hp/t.

11.80 upgraded; though it’s not the best off the line it will definitely keep up with the M60s and such.

@Just_Baron

No, they do not. I’ve played more M60’s and T-54/55s in this game than 99% of the playerbase, as I have all the American, German, and Israeli ones. The M60 is significantly quicker to accelerate.

You’ve played most of them? I’ve played I think all of them, I’ve every US patton unlocked, and used bar the 120S and the AMBT.
I’ve every german one unlocked and used shocker the m48 Super is way faster
I’ve almost every isreali one used, including sabra etc bar the hydra I believe it is.

As well as every chinese, japanese etc etc, the T55S will leave it in the dust due to the fact they can go faster, overall, the M60s issues are bar the 9.3 and up ones, is they lose a lot of speed on rough terrain as well.

I do find it ufnny that you want the Mk3 to move down but have a pretty nice KD and win rate with it lol, it’s fine at 8.7

@Just_Baron

HEAT-FS can still reliably go through anything you see from 7.0 to 9.0. For the IKV, it’s just a matter of reaction time.

An Pigeon:

It can also reliably go through every armoured vehicle of that BR bracket, that’s the sad truth of how the rounds work on the armour lol, chieftains hull armour is also wrong in game which sucks.

@Just_Baron

Don’t tell me you’re referring to the APDS slinging 120mm lol. The APDS is extremely inconsistent, and I’ve even had it shatter flat plates up to 3 times in a row.

I’ve yet to see it shatter on a flat plate mate, I’ve seen it shatter on overlapped plates e.g where the hull meets on the tiger.

@Just_Baron

What’s worse is that nearly every other tank at 8.7 is using APFSDS with a Laser Range finder.

They may be using APFSDS but the L15A3 round is better than most of the APFSDS found at those BRs as well as the fact the MK5 in game really should have a LRF mounted on it.
such as it is, they both may not be the best tanks of the bracket, compared to the likes of the OBJ122 or such but they are still strong tanks for what they are.

8.3 for either is far too low, there’s next to no 7.3 in cgame which will reliably face off against it. I know cause it used to be that BR lol and it smashed most 7.3s to dirt.

[Milashny_Koteyka]

@Just_Baron

Properly quote something, please.

I did?

@Just_Baron

It has a laser range finder, and I have played both vehicles.

As much as i

@Just_Baron

The IKV is a better sniper thanks to its mobility and overall kit.

Mobility yes, but overall? Better velocity is better for sniping.

@Just_Baron

What does this even mean?

That i dont think Raketenwagens like U-Sh belong to 9.0, but im not entirely sure about it

@Just_Baron

The Cheeks are completely vulnerable to APFSDS and HEAT-FS

Chieftain offers not the ultimate protection, but its turret isnt cardboard. It bounces some APFSDS shots. However the HEATs really do pen it easily as no bounce for them.

@Just_Baron

but the Cheiftain often drives just barely faster than a Black Prince

nah that isnt true at all. Chieftain has low max speed but gets to it pretty reliably.

[stangbro01]

I’m currently enjoying 8.7 Great Britain and it’s one of my favorite lineups.

The Cheiftain is a pretty solid tank, the turret armor is super trolly, would be nice if it had a dart and a little more power.

[TheDudesRug]

@stangbro01

I’m currently enjoying 8.7 Great Britain and it’s one of my favorite lineups.

8.7 now has a use since they neutered the Falcon. 8.7 with ZA-35 and some Chieftains is the replacement.

[Just_Baron]

@An Pigeon

japanese

The Japanese don’t have an M48, or any vehicle with the same powerpack. Only the new Thai branch has it.

@An Pigeon

I do find it ufnny that you want the Mk3 to move down but have a pretty nice KD and win rate with it lol, it’s fine at 8.7

My KD might be higher than I thought in the Chieftains, but that’s exclusively because I only use it under perfect circumstances for the vehicle. Otherwise, I run the Rooikat and Vickers Mk.11, which have gotten me several nukes. The Chieftain has never awarded me one.

@An Pigeon

It can also reliably go through every armoured vehicle of that BR bracket

No, not really.

I’ve yet to see it shatter on a flat plate mate, I’ve seen it shatter on overlapped plates e.g where the hull meets on the tiger.

And yet it does shatter on the front of many Chinese and Russian T-55 modifications.

As a long range Sniper, I will always prefer the Gimel at 8.7 over the Chieftain.

@An Pigeon

They may be using APFSDS but the L15A3 round is better than most of the APFSDS found at those BRs as well

No. The calculator for Spall in this game between APDS and Long Rod APFSDS is too wide a gap to bridge. APDS spall is puny and performs poorly due to that spalling, whereas Long Rod APFSDS spalls purely based on residual penetration. There is no case where APFSDS is inferior to APDS.

Not only is spalling better, but APFSDS also reacts to every plate better. While the Chieftain’s APFSDS struggles with Composite additions on common Chinese and Russian 9.0 tanks, the M111 (DM23) found on most other 8.7’s doesn’t even think twice about going through.

This is literally the difference between life and death in this game. DM23 snipers with laser range finders nearly never miss and can penetrate the front of 90% of targets. The Cheiftain relies on a stereoscopic rangefinder with APDS. It’s not only harder to aim because the shell is slower, but it also can’t get ranges as fast as most other vehicles in its role.

And it’s completely green in return.

@An Pigeon

MK5 in game really should have a LRF mounted on it.

It should have been added to the Chieftain Mk5, but it doesn’t change the fact that it doesn’t currently, and is barely superior to the Mk3.

@An Pigeon

such as it is, they both may not be the best tanks of the bracket, compared to the likes of the OBJ122 or such but they are still strong tanks for what they are.

I can physically count on my hand the number of times I have died to a Chieftain over the last few years. That’s the problem.

@An Pigeon

8.3 for either is far too low

My position has always been decompression first. It’s in the title and my first reply.

@An Pigeon

there’s next to no 7.3 in cgame which will reliably face off against it.

The problem, to begin with, is that the Chieftain can’t reliably face off even against 9.3 vehicles. It’s currently in an unfair position.

@An Pigeon

I know cause it used to be that BR lol and it smashed most 7.3s to dirt.

Most 8.3 tanks now smash 7.3 tanks into the dirt. It’s kinda what being 1BR apart does.