except that one doesn’t have an HMD and the other does, and the one that doesn’t have an HMD has an INFINITELY WORSE sock grind due to the lack of modifications.
If the planes do not have EXACTLY THE SAME TOOLS at their disposal (which includes the HMD) they are not equal.
Mirage 2k 5F and mirage 2k 5Ei are equal… It has the same A2A armament and both have the same tools, what differs is the A2G capabilities, but they are still the same in the Air RB
F18C not… Sorry, You are very wrong
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An HMD that’ll impact no fights, just as the HMD of F-16C has impacted no fights.
You act as if F-18 has AIM-9Xs that can utilized HMD when they don’t.
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as I said in the other thread, F-16AM is fine at 13.7.
BR compression thats why. Tbh both should be 13.7, and with propper decompression the finnish one could be relatively lower
lower RELATIVE to the CURRENT place, meaning it still could very well end up HIGHER in BR after compression
lower relatively to the US F-18C
look who’s back
@GALWAYLION
Thanks for admitting they’re identical aircraft.
GBUs aren’t useful for air RB, and HMD is not a BR-causing feature: See every aircraft in War Thunder.
The only reason it’ll take me longer to get the Finnish F-18 is cause I have priorities ahead of it in the Swedish tech tree.
But you didn’t or can’t read posts.
HMD where
Yes this is disappointing, hope gaijin will change something…
it isn’t identical as long as it can’t access GBU and HMD.
Similar but inferior.
Yes. but no ground ordnances mean fewer modifications.
And fewer modifications means more RP needed per each mod
Then it can be a disappointing point when grinding stocks.
And it is sadly a BR-causing feature. even in ARB. :/
Look at the Gaijin’s silly decisions about Tornado IDS.
GBU-capable GR.1 and subvariants are in the same BR with MiG-23ML, and ML acts way superior in all aspects compared to Tornado GR.1 in ARB.
Wrong. Look at Mirage 2000D-R1 and D-RMV.
You needed to add some extra words for it.
I understand why you will take longer to get Finnish F-18 (or even if you never gonna get it)
Giving less priority to some TT is a fair reason.
Look at Tornado IDS’s.
Not only that but look at the cannon weights and drag coefficients of the two Mirages.
There is no gotcha here, especially mentioning my doritos.
And yeah, Gripen A and Viggen Di are ahead of F-18C which itself is ahead of Gripen C unless Gripen E is announced before I get F-18C.
It seems you understood completely wrong about my comment.
I meant, that both ‘having GBU’ and ‘existence of HMD’ are BR-affecting features for some.
If Gaijin didn’t think it should affect BR when making F-18C
it is nothing but another illogical double standard as always.
They decided to split tornado IDS with AIM-9L into two BR, because of nothing but carrying GBU
They decided to let D-RMV go higher because of HMD (which is bullshit when we consider C-S5)
At the same time, Gaijin decided to let F-18C stay at the same 14.0BR with F/A-18C late.
Because nothing but they didn’t want to make US main upset via another Ra’am case.
There were other options that
- adding MLU1 version instead and giving HMD
- just C&P USN F/A-18C as same as those lame Eastern Germany MiG-29 did.
But Gaijin was cowardly and lazy enough to sacrifice Nordic players instead.
No, they split the Tornados cause they perform identically despite the BR separation, probably because the BR range is decompressed.
And the BR separation of the Mirage 2000s can be explained as that, as well as the gun differences.
Either way HMD is not impacting the BR of Mirage, and GBU isn’t impacting the BR of Tornado.
Mate, clearly the lack of GBUs is the reason for BR splits in other nations like the Tornado, F-16s, and even the Kurnass. All these other planes have different BRs from their respective planes.
And again, I find it interesting that you’re avoiding the Finnish F-18, because I have it, it’s not good at all. More expensive than the American F-18 in regards to modification costs, wonky radar that works worse than the American one, and let’s not forget the whole scandal of the Finnish F-18 not having proper reticles for the longest time.
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F-16s have no BR splits based on GBUs.
Tornados are not BR split because of the GBUs they are split cause their economic rewards are within margin of error.
Kurnass is not BR split at all, it’s the same BR as the other F-4E: 11.3.
Blimey!
Are you serious?
The spec difference between 11.3 IDS and 11.7 IDS is nothing. NOTHING.
(If we exclude the GR.1 one which has an inferior & earlier engine)
The only difference between them is the capability of carrying targeting-pod and GBU.
As long as GBU is worthless on ARB, they are exactly the same plane.
which can do exact same thing but has a higher BR because of GBU.
You are claiming that why D-RMV has higher BR than D-R1 is not because of HMD but because of having an inferior gun pod?
(2x DEFA 554-> 1x DEFA 553)
I can’t understand why the hell Gaijin decided to split BR because of GBU on ARB.
existence of HMD is fairer than GBU.
If we consider those, F-18C need to be lower BR than F/A-18C late.
maybe after decomp. USN one goes 14.3 while F-18C stays 14.0
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within margine of error? really???
while being overran by MiG-23ML which acts superior on both A2A and A2G all the time?
Are you trying to be truthful or trying to rage baiting Tornado enjoyers?
Exactly what I said. And in-matches the rewards difference are identical as well which leads Gaijin to keep them separate BRs.
Gaijin has split zero aircraft because of GBUs.
Yes, Mig-23ML is faster than all Tornados, which means the 11.7 Tornados are just as effective vs Mig-23s ad the 11.3s at getting bases and ground targets.
I myself am a Tornado enjoyer.
And the Tornados are treated unfairly no matter what you say; and it’s not because of GBUs as those don’t impact stats positively. If people brought GBUs into air RB matches the 11.7 Tornados would drop in BR almost instantly due to a drop in performance.
It’s because Gaijin refuses to look at anything other than their battles data for the Tornado IDSs, and the battles data shows that the 11.7s aren’t under-performing compared to the 11.3s, and I hate that unfairness from the statistics.
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I wanted to pickup Fin F18 as I am a huge sweden main, but chose to research the F-18C Late in US tech tree instead due to one key factor (HMD/HMS). Doesn’t make any sense to nerf the swedes first 14.0 vehicle simply because it’s a minor nation. I’d like to enjoy playing other nation’s vehicles instead of just SWE/USA/GER. But it seems gaijin is hellbent on making players prioritize the home nation tree instead of giving the proper variants.
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Welcome to War Thunder, or did you forget there is a massive bias for Americans and Germans. Hear it from a British main: this game hates us minor nations.
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