Why does the su-27 now have better sustained turn than an F-16?

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Because of the nonstop crying about the su-27 FM, which was already fine when it reached 20-21deg/s, it now enjoys a slightly better sustained turn rate than the F-16 block15 by about 0.5deg/s.

At around 700 to 800kph/380-430knots, the F-16 has around 22.5deg/s while the su-27 has 23deg/s in the same regime.

So nowadays, you get a flanker FM that not only outrates the mig29 almost 2deg/s, but also a F-16 by a lesser margin, while crushing both on the 1C game too with r73.

If anything, it should be the mig29 to receive that buff, not the flanker.

These values are from testing clean and on minfuel at sea level.

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are you really that mad for only 0,5 deg/s? D:

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The last time Su-27 got changed was on December, what makes you think it changed now?

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I’ve been testing lots of FM on the dev server and realized that just now, I knew it was buffed on the live server but didn’t know it actually beat the block15 now.

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It’s unrealistic. I don’t like it.

Just like I don’t like the ability of the block10-15 to turn decently ok with full controls pulling excessive AoA.

The community pushed gaijin into making the flanker into a dominant rate fighter and the F-16 into a good 1C fighter, when it should be the other way around.

I am not biased since I play all of them, I am top tier in 8 nations.

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Take a look at this and tell me where does the Su-27SM out-rates the Block 15

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Do. Not. Use. Statshark. To. Compare. Flight. Models.

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Then. Please. Post. An. Unedited. Video. Of. Their. Rates

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okay, then show some data to back up your schizo posting moment, at what speed does the Su-27SM outrates de block15? How many º/sec is it turning, how many is the F-16 doing at the same speed? Why is statsshark not reliable for you to compare in game data of FMs?

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Eh tbf, he said on the dev server in his second post, which wouldn’t be on statshark quite yet. so it could be different.

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Didnt saw that, he should have used the correct category

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true

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Why? even Su-30sm its on Statshark.

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No, I meant I was testing stuff on the dev, realised the su-27 did 23 sustained and went to check on the live. The buff was some time ago actually

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dude its all writen on my post

Statshark is not accurate because it doesn’t match the real game results100%. WTRTI is more effective since you test in-game with real time data

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Altrough I wouldnt use statshark because of its inaccuracies, it also says there that the su-27 has better sustained turn rate after 700kph.

It’s funny that you post that trying to disprove me lol

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I don’t know how to record the WTRTI overlay over the game instance. I’m sure there’s a way, but I can’t be bothered to install and test recording software. All I use to record is the Nvidia overlay.

I’ll try with RTSS later but now I don’t have the time.

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Su-27 IRL is more maneuverable than F-16. What surprises you? Sukhoi created a plane with an amazing airframe that gives great maneuverability

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but I’m not seeing any of your topics asking to nerf this, or questioning the EF, Rafale, or f15a, gripen, f16 block 10/15 fms…

yeah i agree with that, but there is no data to prove that the su27sm with AL-31FM1 engines is overperforming, it should in fact be better than the base su27

gaijin apparently can’t model the drag of the wt planes accurately without leaving one part overperforming or other part underperforming, for example, everything I could find about the su27 put its oswald efficiency at something between 0.60 and 0.70, in war thunder it’s still only 0.54 :D

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you can find some stuff here for that :P