Why does no one talk in this game? Feels sterile

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This is categorically what I was speaking about of the elite’s goal of subverting our competitive spaces to turn boys into girls. You are acting in accordance with the law as a volunteer in carrying it out and enforcing it. I already explained this. Just because it’s the law doesn’t mean it’s not part of a conspiracy to destroy spaces, nor does it require you to act as enforcer which you love to do to feel superior over others.

People discussing current events in a chill game chat is bad.

Just because rules put in place to limit it doesn’t mean it’s bad. Again, this is just you walking in lock step with authority and thinking that makes you right.

Be prepared to face the consequences.

You act like consequences are organic and not the product of a tyrannical oligarch focused on social engineering.

Oxford debates both sides

As an exercise, not in actual application. Again trying to side with authority but doing it wrong in this case.

Respect authority even though it can be abused to maintain a certain narrative.

No. If censorship is so blatantly utilized to the point that it destroys the game environment, the censorship policies failed. The whole point of this thread is that someone felt the need to mention how sterile the chat is now. You’re acting like there’s no issue as if the post was never even made despite talking within it.

Don’t try to defend using foul language

Why are you incapable of arguing the other side of this one, Mr. Oxford? It’s too unsafe?

@AurenKarach

WT is an extremely engrossing game, but it has next to zero “battlefield immersion”,

It is what it is. It doesn’t need to be Hell Let Loose to allow cussing. By that logic the more immersive the game, the looser the chat restrictions or report system would be. I’m not sure that’s the case across all games. It’s a uniform progression against the video game industry with different extremes taken by different companies. I remember the first time my friends played a game with an actual chat filter that replaced certain words with *******. We thought it was hilarious and somewhat useless. We deduced policy and intentionality from what words they filtered. I think it was a command and conquer game that wouldn’t allow you to write names of heads of state. It was ridiculous.

Ok. Irrelevant unless you have some reasoning. Read what I wrote in this post to him and what he wrote to me before this, and you’ll see what him and I are talking about.

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I don’t know what you’re asking of me.

False. They are participating in the chat. You are trying to dominate it by reporting people.

Sterilize chat

You are clearly irritated with the chat and wish for the radio features to be expanded to nullify chat further. It would be one thing to suggest additional radio comms for things you have to repeatedly type, but your request is rooted in a disdain for the chat.

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Although i liked your post - and I don’t want be a jerk - wt is still PG 12…

The main issue with the fellow player is imho rather the language - it is obvious that the limitations of a world wide available video game tailored to target teens is unable to fulfil the requirement of more demanding players regarding realism and atmosphere.

I mean the game has certain (a hell of them) weaknesses and the lack of atmosphere is one of it, but seeing the product as a whole the overall package is far more convincing than alternative games; so it is an individual decision for each player if he wants to accept downsides…

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I love your british way of writing. It’s a blessing … when I look at my german school english ^^

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You got it the wrong way around. You can justify a belief that cussing belongs in this game in a variety of pertinent ways, but realism is not a mandatory requirement for cussing to be allowed, and in as unrealistic a game as this, it’s certainly not pertinent.

Just sticking to the subject of comms, in a real unit you would have an extremely clear hierarchy with orders to follow as well, instead of just playing on your own.

I’ve read every post in this thread, which is precisely what made me write that comment. I’m not saying you have to agree with the guy. But you developed a seemingly complete, ironclad model of his motivations and life history from an exchange that quite honestly didn’t contain anywhere near that level of information, only to cap it all off by writing stuff like this:

Just like you accused “the other side” of warping a discussion on chat by introducing loaded terminology, you too are now carrying out your personal political spiel in place of the actual discussion about a game feature.

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It’s not false, berating other people in chat is an attempt at domination.

No, you keep misreading that, the latter part is exactly what I asked for. Maybe “auto-messages” wasn’t the ideal word, but I meant radio comms, I even explained that the audio part of it is important.

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@WhipperSnipper - did you ever imagine your original post would get to this point?

off to get more popcorn …

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The only point I’m trying to make is that trash talk belongs in a competitive game. If you limit it or try to fight it, you’ll make the problem worse until you begin alienating large portions of the fanbase which will damage the reputation of the game and long term viability of devs supporting it. I would assume Warthunder is in the phase of “We can afford a certain loss of players” by enforcing certain rules, and there are many players happy to comply with finding them and fighting them.

Censorship is a serious and ongoing issue. Like I’ve said many times, I have seen games die from censorship. I have an idea of where the volunteers are coming from in their motivations from years of interacting and studying the subject. The term “toxic” emerged in recent years and has ripped through the gaming world like a wildfire. The term never existed before all these censorship protocols began to be added to games.
@Husar

Berating other people in chat is an attempt at domination

This is your inner snowflake talking. You don’t want boys to be boys. You want bullies to be jailed. I can now deduce you watched a lot of Disney movies growing up. Is that in error? Did I go too far with my psychoanalysis?

Radio comms

I’m just going off of you saying any chat you see when people are having discussions as clutter. Your disdain for how people use the chat is well outlined. You feel the need to express your disdain for the chat in a thread where people are upset that chat is relatively dead.

@Silver_Alert
This is just how it is. Blizzard games have an absurdly toxic remaining fanbase that have killed it for the rest of the players by reporting people en masse. Heroes of the Storm in particular is dead solely because of the automated report system being added to it. My friends list evaporated over time because the report system became weaponized. You could have chat turned off and still get reported. One could say it was just poorly implemented, but the underlying problem always exists, a division between players that drink the koolaid and those that do not.

If I see someone defending chat restrictions and happy to enforce penalizations, which will lead to the death of the game, however unlikely that is to seem at the time, I see it as a threat.

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Sure. I think that’s a lot more solid than realism as an argument. I haven’t really decided how I feel about WT’s case yet, but I do see that POV.

That is sort of my point. You were unhappy because you perceived that a debate about chat was being hijacked into a debate around Political Thing. Then, you started debating Political Thing yourself.

I would advise against that.

I try not to talk about real world politics because I come to WT for escapism, but from a political philosophy POV I’m the closest thing you’ll find to a free speech absolutist. And even I will tell you that you’re reading way too much into this discussion. For instance, remember that Gaijin is a business. They provide a service, we use their TOS.

They have a legal right to ask us not to use their product as a platform or vehicle for certain expressions or topics. That’s not censorship, since they are unable to silence what you and I might say in many public or semi public avenues of life.

I don’t see a situation in which depriving businesses of disposing of their product as they see fit is a wise move.

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I didn’t mean to be debating Warthunder’s use of censorship tools or mean to suggest they have a political motive. I’m saying their tools are abused by people that do, and the systems are often not designed for any sort of nuance. Even when reports are reviewed by mods, they are just doing their job and trying to figure out how to act on a report and may or may not have an agenda or may or may not make mistakes. I’m just saying the people that are happy to use report systems are often of the politically correct orientation and have specific motivations for using it. They perceive victims where there may not be. They perceive evil where there may not be. It’s due to a new phenomenon created by the mass media elite as evidenced by the very propaganda they put out on a regular basis. The laws have changed in various places to march in lock step with these “new morals.” There are often highly public events that shape these new laws which were already written before the event. It’s a big can of worms. It’s not an individual based thing. It’s a social engineering thing.

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Too busy grinding to talk. Wont see those people again anyway

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Any Brit who has been to Germany often comments how the Germans speak better English than we do :)

As usual I agree totally.

Sometimes people leave their mikes on and I can hear them.It’s funny.Problem is I can hear little kids talking and I play with headphones that have mics built in.Despite my outward noises about being chilled my language in game in private is like the Goodfella’s movie :) I’m concerned it will work both ways.
I turned chat off to protect them from me as much as me from them :)

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Personally speaking, I want it all. The light and the heavy, the good and the bad even if it’s racist or whatever else. I don’t want any of it censored by the game. Why? Because we have the block/ignore/blacklist functions in the game - so if I see shit being said that I don’t want to see, all I need to do is block that guy and the problem corrects itself.

I’ve been on this rock for 3 decades. I’m grown enough to handle shit my own way when someone is being insufferable in a videogame. I don’t need some game devs, especially ones not even in my own country, to decide for me. Free Speech Absolutist, you say? Yeah, that’s me. Online gaming as a whole has gotten stale because of spineless wimps wanting to try to police both game chat and game design. It’s all so tiresome.

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Typical engineered savior complex to the point of self-destruction or at least self-enforcement.

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There are too many microaggressions in this topic to be inclusive to a larger demographic.
This is evidence that a place needs to be made secure for all people to communicate free from harassment and judgement.
A place of safety.

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Yes, you did, it’s wrong. If you want bullies to be free to bully, I wonder why you have a problem with me “bullying” people with reports that might or might not lead to chat bans?

Not what I said though, that’s the issue.

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Free speech absolutism applies to your universal right as an individual to free speech, with no restrictions to what you want to say. That does not mean that every avenue of life should work like that. You can have localised limitations that still do not impinge on your right.

It’s an extreme example, but think of a movie theatre. If I start pontificating in a movie theatre, no matter the subject, I make it impossible for people to enjoy the movie. It is completely sensible for the audience and the operators of the business to tell me to shut up.

Video games are not movie theatres, but like movie theatres, they are operated by commercial entities trying to bring home money. It’s understandable that they would come up with their own localised models of what can be said and where.

I’m not saying your take on how WT chat should be is right or wrong. I’m saying that it’s more a question of ToS than it is free speech. Thankfully, our ability to be heard does not rely on a shooter MMO.

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I have had five decades and my favourite game is Saints Row Third.Violent ,Sexist,Crude,Rude.F***ing Brilliant :) I love Jim Jefferies the comedian and my favourite film is Brother Grimsby ,the crudest sickest film you ever saw( I mean sick as in bad taste)

Warthunder is not that ,not for me anyway.It is a million miles away from an 18 Game where anything goes. I watch my mouth in front of the kids and the families in public and I say nothing online I wouldn’t say to somebody’s face.I just think Chat became too nasty for it’s own good. However it is still there and you are free to use as you like and I respect that.I turned it off ,you leave it on.NP

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Because you are trying to get a player expelled by fighting a different battle because you perceive a victim because you’ve been conditioned by propaganda to see certain behaviors as bad.

Not what I said

You see clutter in chat.

I’m not trying to get into a debate about absolutism. You’ve stated that’s your shtick, but I don’t see its relevance here. The report system scares people from participating in chat because of the brainwashed abusers of the system, to the point that the in game chat appears sterile.

You aren’t in a movie theater. You can click a button to mute that person so your movie isn’t disturbed. These chat tools are somehow not enough. The brainwashed referee people need access to weapons where they can physically remove people from the environment, damaging the actual game and its playerbase.

There is a ToS. There are mute and chat tools. Now there is a report system which causes insane problems. Just because I have a problem with the report system doesn’t mean I’m trying to nullify the entirety of the ToS or the business model of the game.

This whole thread is evidence that that statement is false.

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I wasn’t responding to you, but to Panzer’s comment that was directed to me. You might have missed that - lots of conversations going on at once in this thread right now.