Why does Germany's win rate fall off a cliff after 7.7? A look from someone who actually plays Germany

Literally the dm33 pens and spall more…

yeah not saying the 1A5 is bad but its not the best its rather average for 9.3

Hey if its your favorite not gonna argue against that. Nothing wrong with favorites.

But saying its one of the best 9.3 is entirelly different statement and much stronger one and i disagree with it unless you present evidence.

Yes, it has armor, thats why i keep it in my lineup, but outside of urban maps, Leo1A5 and Kpz70 will do much better job.

spall is about weight not penetration the 125mm round is heavier 4.8KG vs DM33 3.8 KG

Again if you like it i literally cant say a word.

I use it as well and it has some strong atributes.

But its not certainly “meta”.

except the KPZ 70 has much worse armor and almost no pen and gets bullied by T72s

Weight does nothing for spall, on large caliber apfsds, penetration on the other hand does, and the dm33 has a much better angle modifier

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I dont play it for armor

Yes pen sucks but it is sufficient to deal with base T-72s provided youre not sniping.

Source?

As per already posted video, weight does not contribute at all to spall of large caliber sabots

i mean you can look at the stats on average the KD of the T72M1 in germany is higher than both 1A5 and KPZ

That might be but i dont think its because T-72 is better but because its easier for new player to use.

Its as if saying premium hornets suck because they all have average KD while im sitting at 3.0+ in post MKK matchmaker.

Mobility + gun depression is the meta option in most cases.

i mean the only thing Leo has on it is that it’s faster? and it has gen 1 thermals which don’t really change much and it reloads a bit quicker but has a slower round with simliar pen to 125mm but no armor

better optics, gun depression, gun handling aswell and reverse speed

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And gun depresssion, which, granted, doesnt come into play often on urban maps, but anywhere else its crucial.

I dont know directly, but the post did make up a load of factually incorrect information to promote a narrative that didnt really make sense. Like German Tornado IDS being worse than the italian tornado IDS because the Italian Tornado IDS gets AGM-65s

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Ah that explains the title. Let me guess Germany suffers

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OP effectively tried to make second premium tornado topic as follow up to this:

but tried to hide it by talking about germany ground first before going back to yapping about premium tornado

Read through that exchange and you get pretty much what was being told here.

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Yep, basically, though it was impossible to actually follow because they’d swap between discussing GRB as a reason why an aircraft was bad in ARB and then swap back to GRB, all in the same sentence.

I didnt really pay attention to the tank stuff though because it was about BRs I dont play

only thing that germany suffers in is lack of new vehicles per update that arent premium
they get some like random costal boat and a destroyer and thats it then like 5 premiums

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Hopefully they get something new for top tier maybe that’ll help these type of forums from popping up. It’s getting worse and worse each day. I personally don’t think new vehicles is going to help the German mindset but at least it’ll keep them distracted for a while.