Why do so many people hate SPAAG

Wasn’t that hard to highlight that call…

But fact is any actual point made to you, you dive to the demand of proof, and deriding of someone as a liar…

You are clearly looking to debate, more than discuss, and the premise that you demand that everything relates to kills, is ignorant of a good portion of the game, and by proxy, the forums and actual discussions.

No, don’t play that card you’ve been handed by the mod to take the moral high ground after ALL this time.

Sorry but yet again I’m not going to derail the topic because You refuse to read. If You want any real discussion please do it or just PM me.

I’m not gonna respond more to the comments that are not on topic. Again, if You can’t understand something I can clarify it to You on PM.

If anything, it’s you who refuses to read because you want it all to be about those points you want to make, nothing more…

Again, you’re the one trying to make the spam by trolling and demanding your precious proof to dismiss, along with deriding who you have issue with.

It’s honestly pathetic.

(Nope)

That is usually the case with heli’s. Their damage model is so poorly constructed, so they shrug off most hits imo.

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I do not… Don’t make my statements for me bud… It’s truly stupid…

All the rest of your statement is built on falacy, so yea, not a thing, and I didn’t say anything of the sort.

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Also crew skills.

Targetting becomes a very, very painful skills to not have at a high level in an SPAA. Your turret and gun track separately, you’re missing a good 5-6 degrees at a time if not 12.

Now, how are you going to get plane kills as a new player with a SPAA that has like at most 2 full bars of targetting unlocked in their SPAA? Even if you can guess how to lead, your gun will struggle to follow your commands.

This is what my (now neglected german tree, rule britannia) ostwind looks like:
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I was wrong. I’m missing a whole 13 degree of turret rotation AND the vertical/horizontal aiming are divorced.

In my British tree, I average around 2, 2.5 in my targetting skill by the time I’ve almost unlocked the Charioteer. I try to kind of rotate around my main 2 tanks every time I get a new line up to avoid stuff falling behind stupidly, so maybe I could’ve focused down a single crew to max maybe. At the moment my “main crew” is at a whooping 3.5 crew skill and not experted because experting costs a ton.

I havn’t even touched the SPAA line as britain thanks to my experiences trying to use the ostwind. Maybe I’ll go back and get SPAA once I get all crews to 3.0 targetting.

However, this is what the preview for the skink looks like:

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Apparently crew skills make a whole 16 degree difference in rotation, plus the whole awkwardness where vertical and horizontal are divorce.

And unlike with say, the comet - I cannot even “cheese it” by LARPing as a casemate and neutral steering my gun on target because you need more precision for planes than that.

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I 2nd this, It’s why I suggest to many to have a dedicated crew slot just for SPAA and focus on “Targeting” Bar under the Gunner section. The other crew slots more for reload speed for MBTs or G-Tolerance/Stamina for CAS players/Fighter Pilots.

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Spaa needs more cover in spawn or countermeasures against fire and forget munitions, currently on some maps that offer literally no hard cover that can cover your vehicle from at least 70 degree angle until you get to almost the middle of the map it’s pointless to spawn them if anyone is using FNF as you will mostly always get killed before you can ever touch them. Once they get that lock on you and fire your as good as dead since most SPAAs don’t have any smokes whatsoever

Most dislike SPAA’s because they do not know how to lead their shots. So they aim straight rather than slightly above and far to the right or far to the left.

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Do the team a solid, and move out from spawn before engaging…

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You can do it then, right?

That’s how you get kills in tanks on a moving object, so why not on SPAA?

Pretty simple to be real, hence why it’s a key part of knowing how to shoot.

It is always so simple to say things.

Sadly we can see how reality is by just looking at the game and people profiles.

There is a huge difference between hitting a moving tank and a plane. Especially when we talk about how server works.

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Indeed, you are a prime example as you ignore anything put forth to you, and deny everything based on your perception, constantly.

Ahhh, again with the stat checking… Typical.

Actually, no… It’s no different. And it’s nothing to do with the server.

Sorry but I don’t deny things based on my perception.

I deny things based on facts, like stats from the game. I’m not the one wanting to talk about how I feel about the game ;).

It really does, You still have a lot to learn about the game.

No, you definitely are… Hence why your reliance on checking stats is pathetic and counter productive for any discussions as you claim that to be the be all and end all, for anything based on your INTERPRETATION of them being ‘worthy’ of being considered for anything based on you checking their stats…

Nope, not in the slightest… Your angle that lead has anything to do with the server is ignorant to actual lead shooting, and that’s where my real life experience comes in to it, and that’s where your stat checking fails you.

I’m sorry, but you’ve got a long way to go before you’re considered as anything genuine towards discussion, as your reliance on stats, plays you to be the fool.

I’m not.

I base things on facts, not how I feel about the game.

If I say that vechicle ‘x’ is great, then it is reflected by how I do in it compared to others vechicles that I use.

You don’t have to prove me right even more. I can explain all the things about the game in PMs ;)

No, we’re never taking anything to PMs… Your deriding stance on stats is constant and unwaivering, and thus you are uncommunicable, and it’d be a waste of time to even PM you, not that I ever would.

And you use this PM offering as an abuse tactic, because you want to imply you are being the bigger man, which is absolute hogwash…

You constantly stat-check and dismiss the point.

Lead shooting doesn’t need to take into account the server, as it’s an estimation of lead and knowing how to do it, it’s that simple.

Your ‘’‘facts’‘’ are derived SOLELY from stat-checking, and that alone makes you nothing to even bother with because you can’t see anything other than those precious numbers, which literally don’t mean anything in terms of respawning, and being dedicated to the role compared to being ignorant to the effects of presence.

That’s how dumb and repetitive this stance is.

The SECOND I post up anything, that’s you, going for the stats, implying that I’m bad, and unable to do anything… That’s why the rule should be reinstated, because you are a prime example of it being used constantly, the same exact manner, just to be flexing on what you THINK are bad stats…

Too bad I don’t care, and that I do indeed know how to lead shoot. How quaint.

So please stop bloting another topic then if You don’t really want any discussion.

I’m not here to talk about how I feel about the game but how it really is, so if You only want to ‘discuss’ with empty words, feel free to do so. Anyone can just look up how well You ‘lead’ by looking at Your profile in game (as being able to lead means being able to hit the target and kill it). Not to mention that we already were talking about this in another topics, so sorry but I won’t be repeating myself.

You’re the one bloating it because you’re trying to deny my point based solely on stats, which is your one-trick, so maybe you should stop bloating it and derailing it because it’s nothing about stats, it’s about actually knowing how to lead shoot.

That’s how simple it is… Now if you want to take it to PMs, PM someone who cares…