It does suck that many of your kills aren’t like tanks where you hit them a lot, and make more engagement.
So many of mine are literal just a hit on them, and turn to look at another target, to have them merely crash from that one hit.
Personally id say that bellow a certain BR like 7.7-8.0-ish SPAA is kinda of not very effective. Low BR SPAA is generally a better tank killer than plane killer and SPAA around the BR of ostwind just kind of exists. Lower BRs of RB tend to also have higher amount of CAS and its obviously more difficult to shoot down a plane due to either distance, its speed, your bullets velocity and similar.
The BRs where SPAA starts to turn things around a fair bit more is the early radar SPAAs, since you can now for the most part (M163 is very wonky) know where to shoot to turn the enemy plane into mush.
SPAA is pretty important and generally a good SPAA player, assuming hes got a reliable vehicle will be able to create a plane deadzone. The issue most would probably see with playing SPAA is that in certain matches depending on which nation you play there might be at most a single or two planes, other times you might face the entire air force of a small nation.
Now i personally love playing both SPAAs and CAS in this game and the general feel i get especially when playing on top tier where theres just a constant Ka50/52 spam, most people either have a single premium tank and then once they die they leave, or they think someone else will deal with the flying problem.
Russia generally completely owns the close air protection in the game since at 10.3 they get strela that has issues finding the target but once it does it just enters the 7th dimension and teleports into the pilots cranium, theres Tunguska at 10.7 which is honestly undertiered as hell and an incredible 10km deterent and ofc Pantsir at 11.7 being so utterly broken that it can singlehandedly negate any of the enemys attempt at close air support.
Generally the nation i see spawn the most SPAAs ingame is genuinely russia, and imo its because of how easy it is really to use. The people using it generally stay in the spawn and dont move the entire match and basically press a single button for the entire game. Other nations have to be a bit more smart about it.
Theres not much that would change people not wanting to play SPAAs or having SPAAs, its a problem with gaijins inherent decision to add high BR premiums, excacerbating the problem of one death leavers. A friend of mine has suggested that atleast for high BR realistic battles, people should be forced to have atleast one SPAA of some reasonable BR in their lineup just because of how easy it is to deny air support when people play SPAAs
Rn now it just boils down to “it is what it is”
Sadly many air players just play in Ground RB to bomb someone and then to die, not doing really much.
That is why some people think that airplanes are balanced or that SPAA has any chance
By no means am I elitist…
I just don’t find the game to be ‘rage inducing’ because I don’t keep repeating over and opver that the game is my trouble, and that it’s fighting against me, or that I’m losing because of the game.
The fact that people disagreeing with what you think the issue is, is enough for you to make a page and a half about how bad I am as a player for not agreeing with you (Because this is literally most of the issue with responding to ANYONE on this forum currently, with anything BUT aggreement over their whinge)…
It’s just tiresome and beyond a joke.
It’s actually rather telling that everyone thinks these interactions are debates and everyone hasd to be wrong because of how this comes to be.
Nope, I actually know how to shoot and hunt, and that gives me an aadvantage from the outset… I’ve always had this, and my mindset has a lot to do with it, after all, I don’t blame the game, I don’t get mad at the team… It’s pretty basic really.
It even comes to the point I make a lot about people making comments in battles that they’re in an upteir to the enemy team, or blaming the team for the loss, and bailing after pinging the map a heckload DEMANDING that the team do what THEY want…
That’s ignorant, and again… No…
This is how things are in game and can be seen.
Again, not a debate.
What now?
I’m just saying how things are in game and what they are from my experience.
Most people use air vechicles just to destroy some ground untis and die, mostly wanting to kill someone who have killed them. Not to mention that they die by crashing in most cases, no matter if someone hits them or not.
Stop trying to cause a back and forth avoiding the point I told you I agreed to disagree with your nonsense and trying to turn everything into a debate where your demand for proof is all you run for 40 pages…
Just give up, I have my opinion, you have yours, and your demand for proof in every interactions and shaming of stats in every other makes you a very tired troll…
But I’m pointing out how things are in GF RBs game, not talking about stats so I don’t get form where You have that idea again.
I’m free to comment what You are talking as this is public forum, if You don’t like it You can always put me on ignore.
You are free to comment, but demanding proof is where your mis-step is… And this constant trying to drag the ‘debate’ on, is just plain trolling…
It’s not me who spams replying to you, it’s you encouraging the spam, constantly… That’s how you are the troll…
As I said, it’s not my problem anymore, and I know it’s been noticed.
Please point out where I have asked for proof here or talked about stats now:
I tried to have a discussion with You without it, but I can see that nothing can be done.
As long as You don’t want any discussion/debate and just want to drag it on, You can PM me.
Wasn’t that hard to highlight that call…
But fact is any actual point made to you, you dive to the demand of proof, and deriding of someone as a liar…
You are clearly looking to debate, more than discuss, and the premise that you demand that everything relates to kills, is ignorant of a good portion of the game, and by proxy, the forums and actual discussions.
No, don’t play that card you’ve been handed by the mod to take the moral high ground after ALL this time.
Sorry but yet again I’m not going to derail the topic because You refuse to read. If You want any real discussion please do it or just PM me.
I’m not gonna respond more to the comments that are not on topic. Again, if You can’t understand something I can clarify it to You on PM.
If anything, it’s you who refuses to read because you want it all to be about those points you want to make, nothing more…
Again, you’re the one trying to make the spam by trolling and demanding your precious proof to dismiss, along with deriding who you have issue with.
It’s honestly pathetic.
(Nope)
That is usually the case with heli’s. Their damage model is so poorly constructed, so they shrug off most hits imo.
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I do not… Don’t make my statements for me bud… It’s truly stupid…
All the rest of your statement is built on falacy, so yea, not a thing, and I didn’t say anything of the sort.
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Also crew skills.
Targetting becomes a very, very painful skills to not have at a high level in an SPAA. Your turret and gun track separately, you’re missing a good 5-6 degrees at a time if not 12.
Now, how are you going to get plane kills as a new player with a SPAA that has like at most 2 full bars of targetting unlocked in their SPAA? Even if you can guess how to lead, your gun will struggle to follow your commands.
This is what my (now neglected german tree, rule britannia) ostwind looks like:
I was wrong. I’m missing a whole 13 degree of turret rotation AND the vertical/horizontal aiming are divorced.
In my British tree, I average around 2, 2.5 in my targetting skill by the time I’ve almost unlocked the Charioteer. I try to kind of rotate around my main 2 tanks every time I get a new line up to avoid stuff falling behind stupidly, so maybe I could’ve focused down a single crew to max maybe. At the moment my “main crew” is at a whooping 3.5 crew skill and not experted because experting costs a ton.
I havn’t even touched the SPAA line as britain thanks to my experiences trying to use the ostwind. Maybe I’ll go back and get SPAA once I get all crews to 3.0 targetting.
However, this is what the preview for the skink looks like:
Apparently crew skills make a whole 16 degree difference in rotation, plus the whole awkwardness where vertical and horizontal are divorce.
And unlike with say, the comet - I cannot even “cheese it” by LARPing as a casemate and neutral steering my gun on target because you need more precision for planes than that.
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I 2nd this, It’s why I suggest to many to have a dedicated crew slot just for SPAA and focus on “Targeting” Bar under the Gunner section. The other crew slots more for reload speed for MBTs or G-Tolerance/Stamina for CAS players/Fighter Pilots.
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Spaa needs more cover in spawn or countermeasures against fire and forget munitions, currently on some maps that offer literally no hard cover that can cover your vehicle from at least 70 degree angle until you get to almost the middle of the map it’s pointless to spawn them if anyone is using FNF as you will mostly always get killed before you can ever touch them. Once they get that lock on you and fire your as good as dead since most SPAAs don’t have any smokes whatsoever
Most dislike SPAA’s because they do not know how to lead their shots. So they aim straight rather than slightly above and far to the right or far to the left.
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