Why do CAS players so vocally oppose any suggestions

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2097

TO now is more about a break from CAS as anything else.I mostly accept the combined arms nature of the game and I love it .To come in with air is amazing ,even Heavy bombing is fun,Nothing like the 5x kill from a Pe 8 on the odd occasion it happens.

So my point is ,the OP is about why there is such opposition to TO bordering on rage and hate when TO as it is proposed now takes nothing away from the CA(Combined Arms) game.

I understand conflict of interest and even Anton has mentioned it regarding breakaway WT games.
I genuinely dont think there would be a conflict of interest unless TO GRB was so popular it killed all interest in the CA version and as you guys keeps saying ,that wont happen.

I think two things will happen if TO is trialled for a month.

1 the game will fail and if it does the TO argument dies never to return but Gaijin showed respect and tried it and respect back to them.Bonus points and a big told you so from the devs along the lines of " Respect what we do and why and stay out of it".

The game may fail for many reasons or it may just be ,slow ,boring ,too intense for the bulk of WT players.

2 it may be great and very popular.I am sure it will attract attention initially.It may reveal TO to be a game that turns out to be so different that it becomes an entity in its own right like Arcade or CA GRB.It may show a determinable and provable migration from other games, basically player numbers up which gives something back to Gaijin who are not in this for fun.

It would be somewhat controversial but only in a positive way and be quite a news item across the gaming world."Wow WT ditched the planes I’m gonna try that ".Once players are through the door they can try ,Navy or Air RB and might find they like those more that TO GRB.
I came here to play ARB and now main GRB and rarely play ARB.

So anyway the point is ,if players know that TO is of no threat or no concern then why object so vigorously,the question still stands and remains unanswered.

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2098

Ramble? Not hardly.

Nuanced discussions require decently length posts and discussion…something like a tweet with 180 characters does not make anything substantive. TO and many other things have suffered from people thinking ‘give me that!’ is a proposal…which is a big reason why it’s stalled out.

Far from saying nobody wants TO, I acknowledged there is a desire for it. However, the profession of that desire seems less prevalent now than before and certainly so when it comes to official appetite from Gaijin.

Anyone serious about pursuing TO would be wise to look at the ‘trigger queue’ idea. Allowing people to ‘opt-in’ to TO but not necessarily get it expectedly (it’d trigger only when the queue gathers a sufficient amount) seems like the most viable route forward.

I did not claim to have any specific numbers or inside knowledge, I merely pointed out Gaijin’s past with the topic, their subsequent silence and the calming of the waters in the years since.

It’s more a matter of reading the room than anything close to being an insider. My initial 2018 take on TO’s likely future (that it was ‘unlikely to turn up soon’) have proven prescient for this reason.

Very few are objecting at all…though there are certainly issues that TO faces. The lack of meaningful discussion and progress on those things have left TO in the limbo that it’s sat in for the bigger part of a decade now.

The inability or refusal of TO advocates to hammer out a public proposal (or take Gaijin’s 2019 pitch) is probably the single biggest reason why TO hasn’t gotten any further than it has. You have to work things out to make things work.

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2099

It was answered immediately however. Morvarn did not write that for kicks.

These are the moderates put off supporting due to very poor discourse from some TO mouthpieces.

We know why “opposition” exists and some in the TO advocacy will not take this on board.

And yes, some on the “other side” (as broad as differing opinions within TO advocacy; no homogeneous group) do not help themselves either.

But since one “side” is making an ask/wanting support it really is down to those requesting to do the work of gaining support, not peeing off the moderates (not those you see much).

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2100

Having read Morvan’s reply(the first reply) I can see it actually boils down to lack of respect or perceived lack of respect and little more.To be blunt its about the general shitty attitude that prevails on this forum and the default setting of nastiness we have on here.Maybe we all need to go to charm school.I’ll be first on the bus : )

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2101

Eddie has recently tried this himself.

What I might advise (if rejected) is for himself and others to make a closed chat of interested TO advocates to keep pushing/refining his Suggestion.

This closed message group can then focus on what is wanted/needed without the inevitable distraction of “sensitive” points which can derail.

This is purely for the creation of a voice to Gaijin, not for the end of discussion in the TO thread.

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2102

Also @BoveyBadBoy69 says there has been a more recent live stream regarding new mode proposals. But not seen the link yet and was waiting for it.

Could not trawl through and find the 2019 stream.

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My reply to Warrior reads to be far more shitty than was ever intended to be honest ,I can see that looking back.Thats the written word for you I guess. Maybe we need more if these 😆. I agree that discussion is a time killer and genuine dialogue with the devs needs to be entered into ,good call there,so has there actually been any?

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I can see your intentions are well meaning ,not holding you to find a lost video on youtube.I know of Antons previous statements re TO but wasnt a no never but more a not interested currently.

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If he wasn’t standing on one leg whilst performing complex hand signals while writing and sending it then a good chance it will fail.

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Yeah, jtst wondered if you had the link to your one. Sounded like you came across it yesterday.

I cant trawl as Opera Browser just threw a wobbly and in process of deleting it and starting again from scratch (lost all logins etc as had to force a total wipe).

2108

I know for certain there is a question and answer video of saying no plans for TO.I have seen it.I can’t either currently so no worries.

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  1. To even get the temporary event back you’d have to again, convince Gaijin there’s a worthy ROI, especially since last time there wasn’t a worthy ROI.

  2. Indeed. There’s dozens of reasons why people quit WT, even for me whom has taken breaks from it for x amount of months. I never assume to have all the answers in this regard.

  3. See, the review-bombing was specifically done on Steam and other gaming marketplaces that require actual game ownership and playtime before even rating. Random plebs who’ve never played a day in their lives can’t just drop a rating.

  4. We already have TD with AA shells and SPAA in the game. I don’t see a direct appeal to premium SPAA whatsoever.

  5. Tried hard for a comeback? For what? Lol.

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2110

Indeed. And whenever as much is pointed out they 9/10 times get belligerent. The same happens when asked legitimate questions and criticisms are leveled at ultimately their quarter-baked ideas, at most.

It’s the TO crowd alone that has caused their " movement" to stall to death and obscurity. Between their poor attitudes and their lack of giving proper thought and effort to building a mode proposal - It’s beyond reasonable doubt that Gaijin has no interest in looking their way completely separate from the simple fact that such a mode is simply not part of their vision.

2111

Been reading this with little input really but I think a lot of people are their own worst enemy on here and end up collecting a team of fans and haters so every debate ends up as a war of personality.Somewhat refreshing to see a somewhat honest discussion not turn sour.Maybe that is adults rather than teenagers,an assumption of course.

2112

Eh. Maybe yes and maybe no. I’d say it ultimately depends on the person in question, but at the same time it’s also dependent on the approach and appeal. It’s easy to just go " Gib Tonk Only Mod now Gaijin! " And provide zero argument for why Gaijin should, and then when questioned about it accuse and insult others instead of offering an actual argument for why Gaijin should.

We’re all players of WT, but that doesn’t give anyone any special privileges on requesting anything in particular without any arguments for why it should happen.

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2114

The funny part is Gaijin actually couldn’t care less. I’ve seen a lot of those newbie rage threads get shut down quickly but the mods.

2115

True ,I look at the post and I know they just got killed and jump on in a rage.Thing who is responsible for the latest map changes? Who actually requested this redline crap and how?

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2116

Lol flanking on a WT map.

2117

Congratulations. Another ridiculus statement. Are you really claming you haven’t ever destroyed any vehicle fro their flank?

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I posted and official request to ask for a TO mode or at least get an official view on the issue ,can do no more than that.I am surprised the game makers dont step up more and interact in an official manner on long standing topics on here and put them to bed.
It’s the reason those who do step up get pounced on like poor Pacifica who dared give his/her opinion on maps once.We just don’t see these guys enough on what is their forum.

The forum is a big place and much has been done before and either buried on here or on the old forum so if I ask a question its not necessarily to go over old stuff or even get a yes ,a no and an explanation is as good because I appreciate the issues of cost/return and technical limitations of the game and servers.

Fine,a lot of my suggestion is hope and speculation as is any idea in its infancy.I actually appreciate the debate because it’s opens my eyes to things I might not have considered.Not too ashamed or full of myself to learn on here.I can be accused of speculation but normally the other fella is doing the same.Truth is none of us really know the reality sometimes…

I mean for example How many game modes can WT actually run at once? 8? 28? Who of knows? I mean some will but its not common knowledge.Maybe this what we should asking on here.

This is the reality of suggestions,Logistics,Game mechanics etc .It’s not always what Gaijin can do it’s what they can’t actually do as well.I personally don’t think they can control BR in the way the player base think they can or should,I don’t think the can introduce era separation even if they wanted to.

Nothing to suggest they are not players or ex players as far as I can see.

Who would bother to even think about a game they never played? I presume Reddit is about those who were kicked from the forum or stomped off in a huff. This forum and all the others is obviously full of military arm chair experts who never set foot in a working AFV or served as much as a day in McDonalds and they shout those who obvuilsy have down yet I dont want to push elitism because many top food critics cant cook.How many years or games does it take to really know Warthunder.

Im still learning .ULQ is one of the top players around stats say but does he get respect on here ?

It’s all about general feeling across the web and I think much of it is valuable to a degree.

I never got an answer to being against TO when it’s an option not a replacement.But hey ,the answer given by Morvan with 60 plus likes says it all so NP I see it all clearly and its an understandable situation.We need to drop this two tier /Us and them thing about flyers and non flyers in a Combined arms game.Not flying at all in GRB is like boxing with one arm when you have two.

We also need to lose the idea that anybody who wants TO hates CAS or cant/wont fly.No true so it’s presumption on both sides and I have been on both sides.I crossed the floor as they say.

I hate to see the nerfing of just CAS to appease the haters and feel TO will stop this.CAS works fine and flying well is skill like being good in an AFV is a skill.It a non argument for me.I want to skip that BS and request TO for the right reasons.Hope that clears things up.