Why do CAS players so vocally oppose any suggestions

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2076

  1. Sure, but those are temporary event modes that are very much " Take it or leave it " - Which is not what the TO crowd wants. They want a permanent mode-set and the TO crowd doesn’t just want one type - They want multiple because not everyone likes arcade or realistic or sim. Part of that was why they shunned the event back in the day; It wasn’t to everyone’s particular liking amongst other things. Additionally, I can guarantee that the fragmenting those events do for the queue is temporary at best because again, the events are short-term.

  2. The number of those who have quit is ultimately irrelevant for your argument because A. They don’t play anymore and B. You have no idea how many left because they hate CAS or because of another reason. Additionally, once again all these people demanding TO on the forums are a statistically insignificant % because forum users as a whole are a minority % compared to the playerbase at large. The math isn’t mathing like you want it to and that’s the simple reality.

As a second additional, other forum sites like Reddit don’t count because this forum right here - The OFFICIAL War Thunder forum website - Is the only website where you have to be an active player of War Thunder inorder to participate in dialogue. Everywhere else anyone can speak even if they’ve never played WT a single minute in their lives.

  1. Christ, this bit makes my head hurt. First off, " TO only premiums? " Like what, exactly? Tanks? We already have premium tanks. Premium time and boosters? Already have those. That idea is simply nonsensical.

As for WoT, it exists because it offers a strictly tank vs tank, strictly arcade-style, borderline ADHD-fueled experience that WT does not and that’s why it exists. The game experience between the two games is different, and it should be different. There’s no point to there being two different games if the experience is the same, and copying direct experiences is not something Gaijin is interested in doing.

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2077

After see the T26E5 and the T92 are the only ACTUALLY good vehicles, I just gave up and only bothered with the T26E5 until I hit rank 5 and got the T32.

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2078

It is even more amusing than I thought

2079

If I could instead flag them all for deletion and have them immediately deleted I’d do that instead. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your outlook, things simply don’t work like that. Which means that just like everyone else I have to experience the displeasure of seeing often purely intellectually disabled tripe spammed over and over again.

2080

I listed a number a tanks that don’t get APDS or HEATFS lmao. You seriously know nothing about America.

2081

Why would you need 300 mm pen APDS?
You can do it with APCR frontally if you know where to aim
T26E5 vs JT - APCR
Or you can do it with APHE from the flank
T26E5 vs JT - APHE
And if you don’t have the means to deal with the opponent you don’t engage it. Its very simple.

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2082

You need to pixel hunt with APCR, and it doesn’t destroy the ammo 100% of the time either even with direct hits. A jagdtiger can point-click and you’re simply gone.

2083

Thats called moving goalposts. Your claim was you are helpless without APDS which is false.

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2084

As I’ve said b4, the T26E5 is one of the few good vehicles, and APCR still doesn’t help all that much. Most vehicles don’t even have it. a Jumbo, M18, M36, M26, etc are all screwed against a Jagdtiger, and this isn’t even mentioning IS series tanks.

2085

And they should be screwed against on of the heaviest armored TDs. The same as PzIV, Panther or JagdPanther is screwed against T95.

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2086

Who tf is brining Pv.IV or Panthers to BRs where they face T95s??? all the tanks I listed can face Jagdtigers. Also JagdPanther is also unkillable to alot of tanks frontally whilst being able to just point-click and send them to hangar instantly.

2087

Woah.

2088

Panther A is 6.0, Jagdpanther is 6.3, T95 is 7.0 so they can meet.

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2089

I dont ,I like CAS.

What??? If you are going to troll then troll on topic.

Can’t really speak for the TO crowd overall. I am only as good as what I read. I was a no fly CAS hater once and full of ignorance to the game and flying.I feel better supporting TO from the position of being a flyer not that I feel any need to divide the two but others have.

The reason I mention temporary event modes is to show that the game can entertain other modes and one day is as good as permanent as far as spreading the player base thin.These events do not equate to ten minutes waits for games so neither will TO.Just logic as far as I can see.
Regarding Arcade ,I like how CAS is done there.Its good training and its very brief and limited. Gaijin need to show some balls sometimes and say “No,Arcade stays as it is sorry.” TO is for GRB in my view.

No I dont but neither do you.Could be ten could be ten thousand. Like not knowing how many copies Dark Side of the Moon would sell before it was released. Life is a guessing game.

Gaijin might disagree as review bombing over RP far exceeded this forum ,nuff said there you know the story as well as I do especially if you play console.

Anything you would not normally take out of your trousers in the presence of CAS,Things similar to the Yag ,The flak 88 etc etc etc . Anything I could peddle to the hungry masses of War Thunder.If TO cost any CAS sales then I would want redress elsewhere,sure Greedy Gaijin do too.You can bet your life that WT is like a food chain ,more SP guns means more SPAA or Soft skins hunting them,its could give rise to a new eco system game wise.Sure it could all fall flat on it’s tits but who knows?

I feel a contradiction coming. Yes its tank vs tank, not done as well as WT so I rest my case and stand by what I said.Sure many will stay loyal to the tankfest that dare not speak its name on here but many will **** off to the opposition.Another Lamborghini for Anton ? Great if it is.Is speculating to accumulate not what made him his money?

You know that overall I am in the GNDM Panzer camp on most things but its seems like you went away and really tried hard for a comeback where I just feel I am stating the obvious based on observation.I have not invented any of this ,I’m not clever enough.It just seems like natural progression due to demand and just happens to have many easy money making positives attached such as lame opposition.

As I said to Coffeebean ,I submitted a genuine request for TO to the devs(his idea) ,hopefully to the right person and they can have the chance to once and for all finally and officially say NO. I also hope they give us all clear reasons why not as surely we are all worthy of an explanation ,all of us on either side.They may say they like my pitch and consider it which means its possible in some form,maybe not what we expected but worth a look.Like Pacifica said ,never say never.

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2090

Also comparing a T95 to a Jagdtiger doesn’t work. A jagdtiger is 3x faster, smaller weakspots, and faces Jumbos.

2091

Moving goalposts again. What does speed have to do with frontal armor ability?

Jumbo for JagdTiger is the same as Panther A for T95.

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2093

What does this have to do with frontal armor? This is about being completely helpless against a Jagdtiger. Atleast a Panther can very easily shoot a T95’s cupola.

2094

Indeed, TO advocates often overlook this when pushing forward the quite meaningless results of such things as YouTube polls.

YouTube has no ties to WT in itself and so anyone can vote in its polls…you don’t even have to be able to read the poll options, nevermind know about the subject. To suggest that such ‘votes’ count is simply laughable.

The zenith of TO advocacy was probably around late 2019, when Gaijin touched upon the topic and even raised the idea of an ‘SB-like event’ setup…which TO advocates immediately turned hostile toward. Because they wanted a set of modes parallel to GFs as-is, they insisted on ‘holding out’ for a better deal. Instead, Gaijin quietly backing away from the idea of TO altogether and we’re heard little (nothing?) from them ever since.

As TO has slithered to what seems to be a nadir since then, I would say advocates who were serious about the cause should have pursued the deal on the table–but they balked.

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2095

Because you set up the conditions like that in the initial statement. You said those tanks are helpless. The only condition where some of those tanks are helpless is frontal engagement. So frontal armor is essential in your initial statement since you could see from the video that JagdTiger is very vulnerable from the flank even with 90 mm APHE.

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2096

That was quite a ramble but what is your point? Nobody wants TO ? Well we had yet another new post yesterday requesting it ,its a request as regular as any other on this forum.As numbers ,none of us really know do we unless you can display some inside knowlede for us.So what proof of what you say do you have?

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